From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 1 02:07:11 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA11771; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 02:07:06 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 02:07:06 -0700 (PDT) From: trknute@earthlink.net Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980531161026.007d05f0@earthlink.net> X-Sender: trknute@earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 16:10:26 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Water fuel, S Meyer, Yull Brown In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19980531101716.3f277a7a@pop3.friend.ly.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"bMEOX.0.qt2.uycSr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4769 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 12:10 AM 5/31/98 -0400, you wrote: >At 03:37 PM 5/29/98 PDT, you wrote: >>Did anybody try to duplicate the hydrogen production method patented >>by Stanley Meyer? >>Any results to prove or disprove it? >> >>______________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >> >> >Yes, I read a few months ago that someone had figured it out and duplicated >his results on a website. I'll go back through ny notes to see if I can find >it and post the information. BTW - He just died recently of poison! >Bob > Water Fuel Professor Yull Brown passed away Friday May 22nd, 1998, at 21:20 local time, at the Westmead Hospital in Auburn (near Sydney) Australia. He died with his loved ones and closest friends by his bedside. >+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + >+ + >+ Bob Colvin - GEET of MD/WI + >+ + >+ http://www.friend.ly.net/GEET + >+ + >+ mailto:geet@friend.ly.net + >+ + >+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 1 13:43:48 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA18057; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:42:41 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:42:41 -0700 Message-ID: <357311A9.5F6D2015@harti.com> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 22:40:10 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, Greg Watson Subject: Re: SMOT Mk5 Details References: <3572384C.484690E2@microtronics.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"iPslU3.0.fP4.s8nSr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4770 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Greg Watson wrote: > Hi, > > You will find more details to allow the SMOT Mk5 to be replicated. > > -- > Best Regards, > Greg Watson http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson Thanks for posting the info on the MK5 array. But will you now finally ship anything to all SMOT buyers ? What will we get for our money finally, already paid almost one year ago? Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 1 15:55:13 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA23405; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:54:45 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:54:45 -0700 Message-ID: <357331AB.ACED1C27@microtronics.com.au> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 08:26:43 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List FreeNrg Subject: Re: SMOT Mk5 Details References: <19980601073115.21321.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"--vu31.0.6j5.j4pSr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4771 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Rob King wrote: > > Greg, > > Looking at the plans for this I assume you get a net height gain of 6mm, > this is far more than the previous one. 6mm is what I can achieve with my magnets. Others will get different heights. > Or is it less than 6mm because of magnetic drag back. > If you make the end drop say 3mm can you then get it to roll away using > this small drop, giving you a net height gain of 3mm? > Whats the minimum drop you require to get it to roll away..or to put it > another way what is the max. height gain you can get from one ramp? The Mk5 is designed to do a LEVEL ROLLAWAY. Others may achieve more. > I will have to get my magnets out again for this one....it looks very > promising. I would love to get this running. > I have all the bits to build a MK5, but my ball bearing was an old mouse > ball with the rubber scrapped off so I need to get a new clean ball > beraing from somewhere. > Are the kits you sent out based on the MK5? Probably. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 1 16:06:57 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA09749; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:06:36 -0700 (PDT) From: mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca Message-Id: <199806012259.SAA16147@romeo.its.uwo.ca> X-Sender: mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 19:00:19 -0400 To: KeelyNet-L@lists.kz, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Magnetism An Introductory Survey by E.W. Lee Cc: aatcorp@everest.netidea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"4p8Fi.0.tN2.lFpSr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4772 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Does anyone have this book? If so what do you think? I am looking for a good primer on magnetism but would like to find something that is compatible with the Davis and Rawls discoveries. The book is $15.95 postage included see www below. Thx Chris Gupta Magnetism An Introductory Survey by E.W. Lee There are over 92 illustrations in this 281 page book. The 14 chapters cover such topics as electromagnetism, magnetic behavior and ferrimagnetism. In developing the scientific story the author shows us how magnetism "works". Refering to the ancient Greeks and the lodestone, ancient China and 16th Century developments through the modern accomplishments of Oerstead, Ampere and Faraday. The book is paperbound. http://www.dconn.com/FatQuartersSoftware/products/ProdInfo.asp?ProdName=Magn etics From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 1 16:07:05 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA09774; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:06:41 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:06:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3573339A.C090A35E@microtronics.com.au> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 08:34:58 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List FreeNrg Subject: Re: SMOT Mk5 Details References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9XbUI3.0.0O2.mFpSr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4773 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Steve Ekwall wrote: > > On Mon, 1 Jun 1998, Rob King wrote: > -snip- > Looking at the plans for this I assume you get a net height gain of 6mm, > ------------------------ > ------------------------ > Good point Rob, I also didn't see the elevatation or lift myself. The lift height is not too important with the Mk5. You can increase the height with close magnet spacing, but then centre line balancing becomes more critical. > Greg, > Welcome back, hope all is well, DMEC be D*mn -eh? ... grrreat! > I'm off to tear up the older smot(s) on your recommendation, that older > smot(s) will yeild working smot! :) actually it cheaper to just buy the > $3.00 stick of channel and swap over the magnets from the ffsmot! :) > --------------- > I'm scratching my head though on this new 'reversal' of flux density. > Note: I'm a 'reverser' by nature / "If you can't bring Mohamad to the > mountain, bring the mountain to Mohaned" kind of guy. This Mk5 has done a > 360 double-double reverse! *c_o_o_l*.. The reverse effect has always been in the data. Remember the differential loss testing? > 1..now that the entry is stronger, do you suspect the steel bar backing is > 'adding' to the flux? .. would a trianglar magnet be as good or better?? The overheight backing strip improves flux density at the entrance. Makes the slingshot effect stronger. > by your homepage, it looks like the steel is ending at the 'blue-hole'? At the drop point. > 2... is steel bar backing really/even needed?? Helps funnel the return flux above the ball and creates a easier release. > (I remember showing some people the smot effect with just two hand > held magnets on an aluminum channel with mouse ball) [hand movement is > what the critics gave for input energy] (sigh).. 'you got to feel & see it > to believe it -eh?!!!' > Anyway, > 3.. will start checking out the 'design' ASAP, (inside out & upside down > as it is now.. interesting.. (and it looks 'backwards!') to what was > already amazing.. > Last year, we were all purplexed by it takes LESS or less for the effect, > counterintuative to the TIM TAYLOR (home improvemnt) mentality.. > More power, More Power etc.. > This is ~weird~ & exciting..(reverse on reverse - i mean) > Will keep you posted on results, and post pics here! > > Good luck, > -=se=- > ekwall2@diac.com > > steve (if a 'plain joe' like me can do it, anyone can :) ekwall > > understood it's "low OUT put", BUT IT'S "OUT" on it's own. :) > thanks again for the "Christmas Present" as it were. you're a good man! HI Steve, Will post some adjustment hints. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 1 16:06:51 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA00536; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:06:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:06:43 -0700 Message-ID: <3573347F.F1B17357@microtronics.com.au> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 08:38:47 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List FreeNrg Subject: Re: SMOT Mk5 Details References: <3572384C.484690E2@microtronics.com.au> <357311A9.5F6D2015@harti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gw7r5.0.98.xFpSr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4774 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > Greg Watson wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > You will find more details to allow the SMOT Mk5 to be replicated. > > > > -- > > Best Regards, > > Greg Watson http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson > > Thanks for posting the info on the MK5 array. > > But will you now finally ship anything to all SMOT buyers ? > What will we get for our money finally, already paid almost one year > ago? > > Regards, Stefan. Hi Stephan, I am attempting to get control of the Mk4 units. If I can't, I will ship the new Mk5 units. > -- > Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann > Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 > email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com > Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net -- Best Regards, Greg Watson http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 1 19:51:40 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA00586; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 19:51:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 19:51:30 -0700 Message-ID: <35736943.A9A4BD14@microtronics.com.au> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 12:23:55 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List FreeNrg Subject: (Off Topic) Growing Young Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Rg6BW3.0.y8.mYsSr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4775 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com HI, I have updated my site with more online references about APGL & Growth Hormone. There are Alta Vista links to many papers, suppliers & information. I would like any feedback sent to me directly. If there is enough interest, I will create a mail group. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 1 21:50:53 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA13763; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:50:39 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:50:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Grat Crabtree" To: Subject: bessler wheel Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:41:45 -0700 Message-ID: <000901bd8de1$c2c9b940$0100007f@foo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01BD8DA7.166AE140" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.1 In-Reply-To: <199805312204.PAA04301@mx2.eskimo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"YoHlb1.0.vM3.SIuSr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4776 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com 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Message-ID: <19980602.164547.8247.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-11,15-16,18-20,23-25 Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 17:43:28 EDT Resent-Message-ID: <"p1PfN2.0.Ja6.uG7Tr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4778 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sun, 31 May 1998 12:01:04 -1000 Rick Monteverde writes: >Chris - > > > As for myself, I have tested it using 100KV to > > 150KV about 2 yrs ago. The effects were most > > positive. > >Electric wind is just one way people can be fooled.. > One way to eliminate ionic wind effects without worrying about the actual presence of ionic wind is to try graviator designs of different masses. If you have a copy of patent 3,187,206, you could try different masses for item 27 in fig 4. Greater masses are suppose to give greater thrust. > Such an experiment has been done with these controls, and the result was >negative - but the voltage was a bit low >at 19KV. I think the voltage are way too low here, I think Chris is on the right track with the the voltages he is using. Matches what I have read by several other researchers. Steve Heckman _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 2 16:07:47 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA02236; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:07:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:07:30 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:55:53 +1000 X-Sender: mindtech@mailhost.nor.com.au Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: mindtech@nor.com.au (Peter Nielsen) Subject: Re: Has anyone tested the Biefield Brown effect? Resent-Message-ID: <"vn1WA2.0.SY.lM8Tr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4779 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >> In a 1937(?) issue of Popular Mechanics there was a single page article >> which described a tethered HV cap similar to Brown's. A bit thin on >> technical details, but it included a graph indicating observed correlation >> between dynamic lift and applied frequency. I can dig it out if anyone is >> interested. >> >> Peter Nielsen >> > >Frequency ? What range ? > >I was thinking the TTBrown experiment involved just plain DC. > >Marcelo Puhl > English Mechanics, 8 May 1936, pgs 76 and 79 - "The Connection Between Gravity and Electricity" by W.D. Verschoyle. The "radiator" is the lofting device of unspecified construction suspended on a counterbalance. From the crude sketch, assuming it is in proportion, it appears to be about 1 foot in diameter and 2 inches thick. Contrary to my above post, it does not seem to be a cap since only a single wire is connected below. However, we can assume any upper plate, if present, would couple to the atmosphere. The graph mentioned shows lift as a function of applied frequency, voltage and current. The following table summarizes the results. The final number is an arbitrary "lift factor", higher being more lift. Note that it increases as frequency rises and voltage falls. This seems to eliminate corona discharge as a cause. 50 Hz, 200KV ... 2A - 3 3A - 6 4A - 8 100 Hz, 150KV .. 2A - 4 3A - 7.75 4A - 9.5 150 Hz, 100KV .. 2A - 5 3A - 9.5 4A - 10.5 Excerpts from text: To obtain these graphs a radiator was used which summed up the experience derived from innumerable experiments. When this radiator was connected by one wire with the active secondary of a large coil, the other wire being earthed or connected to a high capacity condensor, a definite forceful lift was experienced, the frequency of the pulses of energy sent through the main coil primary being the principle determinant of its magnitude. In the final graph a weight is lifted equivalent to 25 percent of that of the radiator, and as yet no limit is in sight of the lift which possibly may result from increasing the frequency. By numerous experiments it has been accurately determined that air reaction accounts for 5 percent of the lift at high voltages, and also that this lift is inversely proportional to the frequency as against the direct proportionality of the total lift. On the other hand, the static attraction of the radiator for the floor and other proximate objects beneath it is against the lift, but it invariably overcomes all such resistance and rises when the adjustment is exact, even when some statically attracted object is placed close below it. Here, then, is a perfectly definite annulment of weight which validates the theory that when electricity in a special form is applied to a specific arrangment of matter a radiation is emitted which interferes with the usual action of gravity. Early in this century Einstein deduced mathematically that light should be deflected in a strong gravitational field, and careful observation during the total solar eclipse of 1919 showed this deflection to be a fact. In 1920, the argument first occurred to me as confirmatory of my own theories that since gravity affects some forms of radiation some form of powerful radiation will almost certainly be found to affect gravity. Incidently, however, it may be mentioned that this effect has been discovered primarily through following a working theory of gravity which was briefly mentioned on page 358 of the English Mechanics of November 12, 1909, ten years before Einstein's theory was confirmed by observation. (End of excerpts) If anyone can locate a copy of that 1909 article, I would be most interested. The unknown factors are the aforementioned "adjustment" and the composition of the radiator. Any guesses? Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 2 17:15:12 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA24902; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:14:12 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:14:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980602234258.006a4dc0@mail.wincom.net> X-Sender: wood@mail.wincom.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 19:42:58 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wood Subject: Re: Magnetism An Introductory Survey by E.W. Lee Resent-Message-ID: <"PLVdE.0.y46.EL9Tr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4780 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 07:00 PM 6/1/98 -0400, you wrote: >Does anyone have this book? If so what do you think? I am looking for a >good primer on magnetism but would like to find something that is >compatible with the Davis and Rawls discoveries. The book is $15.95 postage >included see www below. > >Thx > The word introductory may be a bit misleading in the title.Being a couple points dumber than a dandelion myself I was hoping to find an easy read book that could answer a few questions.This book is a bit deeper into the math than I had hoped.I would say if you know what you are hunting for and can work the math this book would be good for you.Browsing through it again so I could answer your question I think there is the answer to what causes the Gary effect on pg.131.Just a quick opinion but worth thinking about. I think this is a good reference book if you know what you are hunting for but a bit of a dull read if you need some entertainment at night. Woody From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 2 21:37:00 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA03345; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:36:14 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:36:14 -0700 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:15:54 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Has anyone tested the Biefield Brown effect? Resent-Message-ID: <"DOHcO.0.6p.lADTr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4781 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Peter - Thanks for posting that, I had never seen it. Don't know about that table though, it looks like 200kV @ 4A is 800,000 watts - kind of a lot! Maybe the amps is the current input to the HV transformer primary, which scales about right for tabletop gizmos. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 3 05:27:41 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA00825; Sun, 31 May 1998 01:38:56 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 01:38:56 -0700 Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 00:10:59 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19980531101716.3f277a7a@pop3.friend.ly.net> X-Sender: geet@pop3.friend.ly.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Bob Colvin Subject: Re: Stanley Meyer Resent-Message-ID: <"Vn3ib3.0.gB.MSHSr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4757 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 03:37 PM 5/29/98 PDT, you wrote: >Did anybody try to duplicate the hydrogen production method patented >by Stanley Meyer? >Any results to prove or disprove it? > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > Yes, I read a few months ago that someone had figured it out and duplicated his results on a website. I'll go back through ny notes to see if I can find it and post the information. BTW - He just died recently of poison! Bob + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Bob Colvin - GEET of MD/WI + + + + http://www.friend.ly.net/GEET + + + + mailto:geet@friend.ly.net + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 3 17:36:35 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA29381; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:36:17 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:36:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806040032.VAA25362@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" Organization: Computec Ltda To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 21:33:01 -3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Has anyone tested the Biefield Brown effect? Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"F8Y922.0.zA7.0mUTr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4782 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > > The graph mentioned shows lift as a function of applied frequency, voltage > and current. The following table summarizes the results. The final number > is an arbitrary "lift factor", higher being more lift. Note that it > increases as frequency rises and voltage falls. This seems to eliminate > corona discharge as a cause. > > 50 Hz, 200KV ... 2A - 3 > 3A - 6 > 4A - 8 > 100 Hz, 150KV .. 2A - 4 > 3A - 7.75 > 4A - 9.5 > 150 Hz, 100KV .. 2A - 5 > 3A - 9.5 > 4A - 10.5 > > What we could expect from applying higher frequencies ? And what will be the duty cycle required ? --- Marcelo Puhl mark@plug-in.com.br From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 3 20:21:40 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA01313; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:21:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:21:20 -0700 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Request for info Message-ID: <19980603.172654.8247.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3,6-7,10-11,13-14,16-17,20-22,24-28 Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 18:24:46 EDT Resent-Message-ID: <"x6lRo2.0.LJ.aAXTr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4783 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I sent a simular message yesterday, but I did not see it "reflected back", it appears that only my first message makes it when I send several at a time. I am currently researching Bearden's scalar theories, especially about the claim that the modern version of the Maxwell's equations drops the scalar terms. I have collected Whittacker's papers, have Maxwell's books and looked at Doug Sweetsers site. If any one have any additional references I would like to know of them.... Specifically, I would like a copy of the two following articles (I will pay for the copies and send SASE)... Jack Dea, "Fundamental Fields and Phase Information" July 1985 USPA Conference, Dayton Ohio. T.E. Bearden, "Maxwell's Origional Quaternion Theory was an Unified Field Theory of Electromagnetics and Gravitation", Procedings Int'l Tesla Society Symp. 1988 Also any info on the scalar detectors designed by Schnurer, Sweet, Kelly and/or Golden would be appreciated. Thanks Steve Heckman _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 3 20:26:23 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA03841; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:26:15 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:26:15 -0700 X-Sender: bailey@shell14.ba.best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:32:14 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com (Freengr List) From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: The Institute for New Energy Web Site has been updated Resent-Message-ID: <"8ReBF1.0.cx.KFXTr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4784 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com The Institute for New Energy Web Site has been updated at: http://www.padrak.com/ine/ Most New Data Files are at: http://www.padrak.com/ine/index.shtml#INE_RECENT All new revisions are in the file: http://www.padrak.com/ine/REVISIONS.html ------------- ------------------------------------------------------------ Date Included Additions, Expansions, or Revisions ------------- ------------------------------------------------------------ Jun. 3, 1998 Updated: Announcements of Meetings Website file's copyright dates. 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Site Counter = 232,657 May 13, 1998 Added: INE Advanced Energy Conference, August 1998: Call For Papers New IANS Letter: IANS Closes Its Operation In March 1998 Modified: Top Links on the INE Main Page. Site Counter = 232,330 May 1, 1998 Updated: Paul Brown's email address in People and Organizations Subjects and Authors Fixed the Blueribbon Picture link. Site counter = 228,442. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 3 23:52:40 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA27716; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:52:35 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:52:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35764347.451827DB@harti.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 08:48:39 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l , Greg Watson , newman-list Subject: What is the final word on SMOT shipping schedule ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0KVt-1.0.zm6.oGaTr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4785 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi, did anyone already got something shipped from Greg Watson ? Finaly I think it is time he has to send out refunds or ship something... It is already almost one year ago, that we paid for a non delivered SMOT kit.... How could we trust in Greg in future time, if he will offer other things for sale???? I guess he has to rethink over his business plan.... If he still has trouble with his DMEC company I guess it is finaly time to nuke these guys and send a refund or at least ship a simple MK5 ramp to every SMOT orderer. What has happend to all his 50 SMOT rollaround bases ? Who has them now ??? Has anyone seen them yet other than Greg Watson ? Why did he not show one to Evan Soule, when Evan visited him lately ?? (Just to say it is hidden in DMEC contract sounds like a scam... Has anybody from the lists visited him lately and have seen anything like a rollaround ?) I propose nobody should order anything anymore from Greg until he will ship anything or send out the refunds... Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 4 04:16:55 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA00536; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:06:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:06:43 -0700 Message-ID: <3573347F.F1B17357@microtronics.com.au> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 08:38:47 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List FreeNrg Subject: Re: SMOT Mk5 Details References: <3572384C.484690E2@microtronics.com.au> <357311A9.5F6D2015@harti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gw7r5.0.98.xFpSr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4774 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > Greg Watson wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > You will find more details to allow the SMOT Mk5 to be replicated. > > > > -- > > Best Regards, > > Greg Watson http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson > > Thanks for posting the info on the MK5 array. > > But will you now finally ship anything to all SMOT buyers ? > What will we get for our money finally, already paid almost one year > ago? > > Regards, Stefan. Hi Stephan, I am attempting to get control of the Mk4 units. If I can't, I will ship the new Mk5 units. > -- > Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann > Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 > email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com > Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net -- Best Regards, Greg Watson http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 4 04:41:15 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA23405; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:54:45 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:54:45 -0700 Message-ID: <357331AB.ACED1C27@microtronics.com.au> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 08:26:43 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List FreeNrg Subject: Re: SMOT Mk5 Details References: <19980601073115.21321.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"--vu31.0.6j5.j4pSr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4771 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Rob King wrote: > > Greg, > > Looking at the plans for this I assume you get a net height gain of 6mm, > this is far more than the previous one. 6mm is what I can achieve with my magnets. Others will get different heights. > Or is it less than 6mm because of magnetic drag back. > If you make the end drop say 3mm can you then get it to roll away using > this small drop, giving you a net height gain of 3mm? > Whats the minimum drop you require to get it to roll away..or to put it > another way what is the max. height gain you can get from one ramp? The Mk5 is designed to do a LEVEL ROLLAWAY. Others may achieve more. > I will have to get my magnets out again for this one....it looks very > promising. I would love to get this running. > I have all the bits to build a MK5, but my ball bearing was an old mouse > ball with the rubber scrapped off so I need to get a new clean ball > beraing from somewhere. > Are the kits you sent out based on the MK5? Probably. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 4 06:04:24 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA18057; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:42:41 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:42:41 -0700 Message-ID: <357311A9.5F6D2015@harti.com> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 22:40:10 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, Greg Watson Subject: Re: SMOT Mk5 Details References: <3572384C.484690E2@microtronics.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"iPslU3.0.fP4.s8nSr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4770 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Greg Watson wrote: > Hi, > > You will find more details to allow the SMOT Mk5 to be replicated. > > -- > Best Regards, > Greg Watson http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson Thanks for posting the info on the MK5 array. But will you now finally ship anything to all SMOT buyers ? What will we get for our money finally, already paid almost one year ago? Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 4 13:23:38 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA02995; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 13:23:08 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 13:23:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3576FA61.1919@keelynet.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 14:49:53 -0500 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Tesla Patent & OCR help Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"th7Rp1.0.fk.c8mTr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4786 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Gnorts and Hi Folks! Here is a guy trying to do something good that will benefit many of us once this information is scanned in and OCR'ed...if you can help out, please contact him directly, we all benefit from this, so thanks in advance; ======================= Someone was kind enough to mail me copies of a bunch of British and Canadian Tesla patents. As I find time I'll be (scanning in/cleaning up/converting-to-pdf-files) them. I've already put two of the patents up on my web-site: http://www.u36.com/~fredw/patents/index.htm Of the two, the one that is most interesting to me is the Tesla Pump patent. This is probably what George Wiseman based his Tesla Pump paper on. There is too much work for too little return (for me) involved in OCR'ing them, so I won't be doing that. However, if you know of any Tesla-people who have time on their hands... getting these converted to text will make it a lot easier for people to get the information. Someone in the US said they'd be mailing me copies of some American Tesla patents, but none have shown up, and I can't find his email (to remind him). Oh well. fred - fredw@mks.com -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 ICQ # - 13175100 / AOL - Keelyman KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 5 00:13:26 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA26633; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 00:13:16 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 00:13:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980605163941.008fbc50@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@main.murray.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 16:39:41 +0900 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: GEOFF EGEL Subject: US Company selling my Solaris encylopedia In-Reply-To: <01BD8C13.AE2B9140@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"h4rMs3.0.2W6.AgvTr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4787 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 09:41 PM 5/30/98 -0500, you wrote: >Hello all: > >It has come to my attention that a company or companies in the US are selling my Enclopedia of Free energy in the US THe version that I suspect is volume one which can be downloaded from web site free. Volume two can only be purchased from me. Please disregard any claims that my disks in volume 1 shows fully working devices the ones in the enclopedia are articles and information for discussion and stimulation. If you purchase the shareware copy of version 1 it should cost you no more than $5.00 tops Please help me to spread the world about this rip off> >Geoff Geoff http://geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 Solaris searching for natures energy sources. Geoff Egel 18 Sturt Street Loxton 5333 South Australia Australia Phone (08) (8584 5201) Usually can be reached hereafter 6 pm local time (Monday - Saturday) Central Australian time others times you cannot be certain of getting me. Like to hear from You From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 5 17:25:26 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA16010; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 17:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 17:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35788C68.10563C04@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 09:55:12 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List FreeNrg Subject: [Fwd: Cause for optimisim with SMOT.] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------BAF268DEE4ECE7C575D37229" Resent-Message-ID: <"4qgqL2.0.1w3.bn8Ur"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4788 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------BAF268DEE4ECE7C575D37229 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For your reference. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson --------------BAF268DEE4ECE7C575D37229 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mx1.eskimo.com (root@mx1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.48]) by orca.microtronics.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.7.NO-SPAM) with ESMTP id HAA20754 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 07:34:26 +0930 (CST) Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA29862; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:14:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:14:09 -0700 Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 02:20:48 +1000 (EST) From: Martin Sevior To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Cause for optimisim with SMOT. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"QM1ma1.0.xH7.C65Ur"@mx1> Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19549 X-Loop: vortex-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: vortex-l-request@eskimo.com HI everyone, well I certainly have not been Greg Watson's biggest fan but I've tried his SMOT mark 5 and I do get solid roll-aways. I followed his design quite closely but my implementation is a real hack. My 4 mm release curve is very poor approximation to a a circular arc. The magnets are held in place with sticky tape the the thing is mounted on balsa wood pieces that vibrate when the ball drops of the end. Never-the-less I do get roll aways in excess of 100 mm pretty reproducibally. I'm concerned at this stage that my bench is not level, there may be a fraction of a mm drop. I'm also concerned that I may be inadvertantly be putting a bit of a push to the ball when I place the ball at the start of the ramp. As I said my system right now can not really be rotated 180 degrees with ease, it might fall apart! Still this Mark 5 is far closer to anomalus behaviour than my previous attempts and as I said I do get sold roll-aways already. Based on this, I will get our workshop to build a really nice system and put two in a row. If I get acceleration I'll know we've finally got something here. So I suggest that it would be worth all you frustrated SMOTTERS to dust off your magnets and balls and try the Mark 5. Cheers! Martin --------------BAF268DEE4ECE7C575D37229-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 5 18:12:10 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA25373; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 18:12:00 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 18:12:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980606010811.006a1964@mail.wincom.net> X-Sender: wood@mail.wincom.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 21:08:11 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wood Subject: smot 5 Resent-Message-ID: <"EJyT32.0.MC6.UT9Ur"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4789 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I just tried building a Mk 5 smot ramp. Of course I made a few modifications do to the materials available.I also didn't try to go uphill I just was just hoping for a roll through. I set up the magnetic array as per plans with metal keepers on the back.The ball rolled into the array and was trapped at the first set of magnets.Starting the ball from the other end gave the usual smot performance. I can't see how the minor modifications I made will give me absolutely no results.Does any one see how the ball will get past the first set of magnets? Woody From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 5 19:16:25 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA25025; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 19:16:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 19:16:19 -0700 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Heeeelllllooooo. Message-ID: <19980605.211811.8255.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <356CAB7E.6E7A722@idt.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-9,12-14 Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 22:15:56 EDT Resent-Message-ID: <"AEbHa1.0.w66.pPAUr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4790 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Wed, 27 May 1998 20:10:38 -0400 Josef Katz writes: >Hi, is anyone recieving my posts? and if so, are you responding and I >am just not recieving it? Or is it that what I have to say is not >worth >responding to? > >-joey katz > > Some of my posts don't seem to make it. And considering the date I am sending this and the date you posted, you can safely conclude some of us are slow! ;- ) Steve Heckman _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 5 19:28:22 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA01357; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 19:28:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 19:28:18 -0700 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Test results-scalar waves transmitter Message-ID: <19980605.212508.8255.3.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <01BD8CC8.BB750C40@pm3-124.gpt.infi.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-21,23-24,29-30,33-35 Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 22:22:40 EDT Resent-Message-ID: <"DZf_B.0.4L.1bAUr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4791 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sun, 31 May 1998 19:17:19 -0500 "Kyle R. Mcallister" writes: >Hello all: > >I have sucessfully tested J-L Naudin's "Scalar Waves Transmitter". My >results are inconclusive. I used two cookie tins, each a little less >than a millimeter thick, with a radio tuned to 204kHZ. I tested with >the transmitter hooked up to a caduceus coil, and heard the tone >through the cage. I then hooked the leads from the transmitter >together, without the cad coil, and still heard the tone through the >cage. Maybe I should try using the 1/4 inch thick steel ammunition box >I just happen to have as a cage? > >Jean-Louis: how thick was your cage? > >Kyle R. mcallister >Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net >Phone: 228-875-0629 >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/5257 > > The importiant part at this point is to make sure you cage is leak-proof to RF. Once that is accomplished you will need to do one of two things. Build a scalar detector (put inside the cage), or build a second caduceus coil, wire it parallel to the other cad coil (which makes a scalar interferometer, and see if you can induce a signal in a conventional coil in the cage. I have some info. on various versions of scalar coils from an article by Morray King if you want a copy. Just a single sheet, send me your snail mail address and I send it out monday or tuesday. Steve Heckman _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 5 19:40:03 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA25025; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 19:16:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 19:16:19 -0700 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Heeeelllllooooo. Message-ID: <19980605.211811.8255.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <356CAB7E.6E7A722@idt.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-9,12-14 Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 22:15:56 EDT Resent-Message-ID: <"AEbHa1.0.w66.pPAUr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4790 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Wed, 27 May 1998 20:10:38 -0400 Josef Katz writes: >Hi, is anyone recieving my posts? and if so, are you responding and I >am just not recieving it? Or is it that what I have to say is not >worth >responding to? > >-joey katz > > Some of my posts don't seem to make it. And considering the date I am sending this and the date you posted, you can safely conclude some of us are slow! ;- ) Steve Heckman _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 5 21:04:34 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA21123; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 21:04:27 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 21:04:27 -0700 Message-ID: <3578C059.1C7B77F9@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 13:36:49 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: smot 5 References: <2.2.32.19980606010811.006a1964@mail.wincom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Vctq-2.0.u95.9_BUr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4792 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com wood wrote: > > I just tried building a Mk 5 smot ramp. Of course I made a few > modifications do to the materials available.I also didn't try to go uphill I > just was just hoping for a roll through. The ramp is very necessary as the down and out exit path has very little drag back. > I set up the magnetic array as per > plans with metal keepers on the back.The ball rolled into the array and was > trapped at the first set of magnets.Starting the ball from the other end > gave the usual smot performance. > I can't see how the minor modifications I made will give me absolutely no > results.Does any one see how the ball will get past the first set of magnets? > > Woody HI Woody, I will be posting a set of hints and photos on the SMOT Mk5 on Tuesday (when I get my scanner back). I will also post several QF sims showing how the flux return guides (Steel backing plates) assist the exit. I have found that the geometry of the magnets to ball size on the Mk5 is more critical that the older SMOT designs. My magnet length is 13mm and the ball dia is 12.5mm. Seems others who used longer magnets have had problems. I will advise when the hints are up. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 5 21:19:27 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA24053; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 21:19:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 21:19:16 -0700 Message-ID: <3578C3CD.65C9C9B4@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 13:51:33 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Cause for optimisim with SMOT. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cnFSh3.0.Zt5._CCUr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4793 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Martin Sevior wrote: > > HI everyone, > well I certainly have not been Greg Watson's biggest fan but I've > tried his SMOT mark 5 and I do get solid roll-aways. I followed his design > quite closely but my implementation is a real hack. My 4 mm release curve > is very poor approximation to a a circular arc. The magnets are held in > place with sticky tape the the thing is mounted on balsa wood pieces that > vibrate when the ball drops of the end. I take it that you are using the same Jcar magnets that I use and a 12.5mm ball? The geometry of the magnet to ball size DOES seem to be more important in the Mk5 than older SMOT designs. > Never-the-less I do get roll aways in excess of 100 mm pretty reproducibally. > I'm concerned at this stage that my bench is not level, there may be a > fraction of a mm drop. I'm also concerned that I may be inadvertantly be > putting a bit of a push to the ball when I place the ball at the start > of the ramp. Two comments: 1) Remove the magnets & see if the ball still rollaways. 2) A slight nudge WILL NOT propel the ball along 100mm of track. > As I said my system right now can not really be rotated 180 degrees with > ease, it might fall apart! You don't need to rotate it. Just try test 1 as above. > Still this Mark 5 is far closer to anomalus behaviour than my previous > attempts and as I said I do get sold roll-aways already. Based on this, > I will get our workshop to build a really nice system and put two in a > row. If I get acceleration I'll know we've finally got something here. > > So I suggest that it would be worth all you frustrated SMOTTERS to dust > off your magnets and balls and try the Mark 5. > > Cheers! > > Martin Hi Martin, Thanks for the input. I will be posting photos and adjustment hints for the Mk5 on Tuesday. Will advise when they are up. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 5 22:08:56 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA26840; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:08:30 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:08:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: bfox@istar.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 22:06:27 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Byrun Fox Subject: Re: Test results-scalar waves transmitter In-Reply-To: <19980605.212508.8255.3.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <01BD8CC8.BB750C40@pm3-124.gpt.infi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <"gUesk3.0.DZ6.CxCUr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4794 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dear Steve: I would love to see that one pager on coils, perhaps you could post it, if you mail it to me I'll send you a buck (U.S. of course) Thanks in advance for any assistance, Byrun Fox 5-13 K de K Court New Westminster, B.C., V3M 6B6 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 6 01:50:41 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA29156; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 01:50:25 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 01:50:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 01:47:02 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: bizarre "voltage rays" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"qK_GO3.0.S77.FBGUr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4795 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com While playing with dry ice during tonight's Weird Science meeting, I stumbled across a strange electrostatic effect. If chips of dry ice are placed in a dark-bottomed pan with 1cm of hot water, a layer of moving white mist covers the water. This is fascinating to watch, especially if several chips are scattered around the pan. Complicated gas flows, they act like comets or like solar wind between neighboring stars. This isn't the interesting part though. On a whim I grabbed a 10KV high voltage DC supply, clamped a needle on the negative lead, and was directing ion wind at the mist and blowing it around. Here's the weird part. The thick high-voltage wire swung across the pan for a moment, and in the mist appeared a collection of parallel lines, as if the wire had been spewing a number of narrow "rays" which swept across the mist and cut furrows in it. I found that I could wiggle the wire around and draw an array of identical patterns as the tips of the "rays" made identical motions across the mist layer. I pulled the wire back several inches, and still the furrows appeared. Brief experimentation showed that the entire wire was sending out these "rays" in all directions, maybe one or two "rays" per cm of wire. They reach out about 10cm to 15cm and terminate suddenly, and seem to be less than 1mm across. If my wire was a high-pressure hydralic hose, then any tiny oil leaks would behave much as do these "rays". This was the negative lead, the positive lead was grounded to the pan. The wire is fairly old test-probe wire, not designed for 10KV and has a bit of leakage. No obvious cracks though. Some of the "air-stream rays" appeared to originate at the tips of tiny pieces of lint which were clinging to the wire. The "rays" have extremely high speed. If I sweep the wire back and forth as fast as I can by hand, the "furrows" in the mist keep up with my motions. The streams must be moving outwards at least at 10mph. The big mystery: if these "rays" are simply charged wind, why do they form such narrow streams? Charged wind should self-repel and fan out! Charles Yost in Electric Spacecraft Journal observed something similar a few years ago. His "rays" radiated from polished sphere electrodes connected to a Wimshurst machine. He discovered them while working with a Schelieren photography setup. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 6 02:31:27 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA04253; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 02:31:19 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 02:31:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35790C57.1B7A7693@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 19:01:03 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Greg Watson References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5EBl4.0.H21.anGUr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4796 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Horace Heffner wrote: > > I guess I am out of touch with SMOT goings on, burt where are things going > with SMOT? Why are people fiddling with rollaways when it was determined > about a year ago that a 1/10000 slope can affect the results? Why fiddling > around with custom made things when manufactured stuff is availablea nd > people canall be working with the same parts? Why is anyone now fooling > with rollaways when a manufactured prototype achieved a rollaround "first > time out of the box". What's going on here? HI Horace, Guess you missed ALL the DMEC mess. Wish I had! I did a deal with some money people to make something happen. Thought we could work with each other. Didn't work out that way. The deal is still keeping my solicitor's kids in private school. I hope the Mk5 will allow Hal, Barry & others to properly investigate the effect. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 6 04:55:47 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA07940; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 04:55:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 04:55:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 04:55:26 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty Reply-To: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: more bizarre "voltage rays" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"pZHvP3.0.zx1._uIUr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4797 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > While playing with dry ice during tonight's Weird Science meeting, I > stumbled across a strange electrostatic effect. I found a better way to do this: charge the water pan, then use grounded objects. BTW, I'm using an old neg-ion generator as the power supply. It puts out 10uA maximum, and maybe 10KV to 15KV. Very safe. If you want to duplicate these phenomena, an electrostatic generator is best, don't electrocute yourself with a DC high voltage power supply! Results: - polarity doesn't seem to matter. Both + and - create the "rays." - they seem to move from small object to plate, regarless of polarity. They bore holes into the layer of mist above the water, creating little toroid-flows where they impact the surface. No mist is drawn upwards along the "ray" - my hands emit these "rays" when held near the charged plate! Only certain spots on my hands do this, only some fingertips do it, knuckle-hairs do, as do apparently flat areas of skin. Tiny fibers there? Or a large sweatgland pore? I can wipe the "ray emitters" away. Rubbing my hands on clothing or rug seems to restore the "emitters" but in new spots. - the small, weaker "rays" seem to be much narrower than 1mm. How can they move so fast! - if I tap on the HV wire, the furrow in the mist jerks after a short delay, maybe .05 for 13cm, that's five MPH (can't visualize KMH) - If I interrupt the path of a "ray" by using a plastic pen, it is deflected by the pen depending on pen polarity. The plastic is damp, and I tried touching the plate and switching polarity, and found attraction or repulsion. When repelling, the ray is pushed farther and farther, then skips to the other side. If I "push" it with the pen tip, it swerves very fast around the tip. Like pushing an electron beam with a charged object! cool! - rays seem to curve towards the charged plate. If I rotate my hand, the tracing of furrows in the mist are showing that the rays don't extend straight out from my skin. Perhaps they follow the lines of the electric field. (So if they could be made visible, they would be like electrostatic iron filings?) - I've seen pairs of "rays" from a fingernail top, which extend about 10cm and apparantly follow the field lines, all the while maintaining a distance from each other of about 1cm! Oops, just found a pair which are 15cm long, with under 1cm spacing. - The "fingernail pair" above, when I placed my finger so the emitter- points faced upwards, still curved around 180deg and impacted the mist layer. But now the separation between them grew to 4cm. Though invisible, I can almost "see" them curving and separating while spewing upwards from my fingernail, like two streams from an invisible fountain. - some "rays" are up to 40cm long! Very strange to wiggle the HV cable more than a foot away from the mist pool, yet see the trace of a ray-tip in the mist. The bigger ones seem to fan out towards their far end, to maybe 1cm diameter. - each stream seems to fall apart at a particular distance. They are weaker near their tips, then they simply end. - I can't get a view of the streams by forcing them to flow across the mist. They refuse. They always curve down to the plate and hit it roughly at right angles. - I can see a tiny time-delay when I wiggle a long fingertip-ray, so the speed of the effect might be around 10mph or so, not instantaneous - A sewing needle does not generate an ion-ray. I suspect that their cause is tiny and very very sharp objects (or surface defects.) Perhaps the defects are atomically sharp, and this is an example of "field emission", particle emission which does not require a hot filament. - I connected a microamp meter in series with the plate. It indicated zero. When I let the other HV wire create one furrow in the mist, the meter indicated zero UA. When I brought the cable close, so there were maybe 50 to 70 furrows being drawn, the meter indicated 0.5uA. These ion-streams, if that's what they are, are delivering an electric current in the range of 10 nanoamperes or less. - with a good strong fingertip-ray I can write my first name quickly enough in the mist that the first letter hasn't faded before I complete it. :) Feels strange to be using an "invisible pencil" which extends about 2" off the end of my thumb! WHY do these stay together as narrow streams? If they were strongly charged, then they should spray outwards like a fan. Are they rows of Ken Shoulders' "EV" particles? I need to let them hit a high-impedance op amp terminal, then look at the waveform and perhaps listen to it on audio, see if it's pure DC or noisy. They move VERY fast. Anything this narrow should make instant turbulence. Something is binding them together so the alike-charges don't spread. Something is affecting their boundary layer and preventing immediate turbulent disruption. What the heck could these be used for? Graffitti launcher, ink-jet style? A giant one could do weird things to the airflow around a wing, or could be a silent electrostatic jet engine. Can you say "antigravity squadron?" Next: make a smoke-box and see if I can see the "jets" directly. Uh oh. 4AM... Too sleepy... central nervous system shutting down ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 6 07:58:52 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA13487; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 07:58:45 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 07:58:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: Charles Wilde To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: more bizarre "voltage rays" Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 07:41:04 -0700 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"PPwwK.0.dI3.ZaLUr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4798 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fascinating stuff. Sounds similar to the striations or closely spaced radial rays observed in the "exploding wire" experiment. If you explode a small diameter wire close to a white piece of cardboard by shorting it across a high energy capacitor, you can see similar rays or striations. A nice picture of that effect is on page 194 of the book "Homemade Lighting" by R.A. Ford, ISBN 0-07-021528-6. The effect was first reported back in the late 1700's. At first glance you might think there must be some sort of AC modulation going on here, but the power source is definitely DC in the exploding wire experiment. Hmmm. Almost like the high energy discharge gets something (aether?) to resonate and produce the striations. And now with the dry ice vapor, you have a much handier, and less dangerous way to observe what is going on. This could be quite an avenue for research, sort of like the cloud chamber. Charles > -----Original Message----- > From: William Beaty [SMTP:billb@eskimo.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 06, 1998 4:55 AM > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: more bizarre "voltage rays" > > > > While playing with dry ice during tonight's Weird Science meeting, I > > stumbled across a strange electrostatic effect. > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 6 11:40:27 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA22389; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 11:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 11:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <012501bd916b$2d51b6a0$8bec060c@davelook> From: "davelook" To: Subject: Re: bizarre "voltage rays" Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 12:49:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"zayjc1.0.kT5.LqOUr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4799 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Brief experimentation showed that the entire wire was sending out these >"rays" in all directions, maybe one or two "rays" per cm of wire. They >reach out about 10cm to 15cm and terminate suddenly, and seem to be less >than 1mm across. If my wire was a high-pressure hydralic hose, then any >tiny oil leaks would behave much as do these "rays". At the Boston Museum of Science, they have a "cosmic ray detector". It consists of thin parallel strands of bare copper, spaced about 2cm apart, and charged to a high voltage. They are stretched over an alchohol vapor mist. Watching the mist, you see traces being created by something. The traces left in the mist are anywhere from 2 to 10 cm long, but *don't* look like they were created by something traveling the speed of light, because you can actually see the traces being created by something obviously moving alot slower than light, although this isn't to say they are slowpokes, either. Some of the longer traces are created very quickly, while some look like they were created by something "fat and slow", and leave a very thick trace. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 6 13:25:48 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA09018; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 13:25:45 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 13:25:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <019601bd9174$ce24e440$8bec060c@davelook> From: "davelook" To: "FREE ENERGY" Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 13:59:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"grnpo3.0.pC2.7NQUr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4800 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Bill, Don't forget to see how the mist reacts around a perm magnet!! Dave L. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 6 13:29:04 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA09385; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 13:29:02 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 13:29:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01a201bd9175$f5579200$8bec060c@davelook> From: "davelook" To: Subject: Re: bizarre "voltage rays" Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 14:07:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"KPvwB.0.YI2.CQQUr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4801 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >This was the negative lead, the positive lead was grounded to the pan. If you disconnected the pos. lead from the pan, did they still burrow into the mist? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 6 13:31:26 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA09768; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 13:31:23 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 13:31:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <019d01bd9175$9727a1c0$8bec060c@davelook> From: "davelook" To: , "Peter Bros" , "Lee Markland" , "cary johnson" Subject: Re: bizarre "voltage rays" Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 14:04:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"KZ8ZF2.0.RO2.OSQUr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4802 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >The big mystery: if these "rays" are simply charged wind, why do they >form such narrow streams? Charged wind should self-repel and fan out! They are probably ions emitting from the wire. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 7 07:48:40 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA24860; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 07:48:24 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 07:48:24 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 16:45:04 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199806071445.QAA06044@imaginet.fr> X-Sender: lentin@mail.imaginet.fr X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jean-Pierre Lentin Subject: Re : Stanley Meyer Resent-Message-ID: <"tQz-H3.0.L46.uWgUr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4803 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Bob & all Bob Colvin wrote, about Stanley Meyer : > BTW - He just died recently of poison! Bob, unless you have specific or unpublished evidence about that (and in that case please tell us more), I think it's irresponsible to start that kind of rumour. To the best of our knowledge, as discussed in this list or Vortex-l a few weeks ago, Meyer died of a ruptured brain aneurism. It was a health accident. An autopsy was performed to confirm it. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jean-Pierre Lentin --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 7 17:41:13 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA24955; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 17:41:06 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 17:41:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 17:33:52 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: FREE ENERGY Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! In-Reply-To: <019601bd9174$ce24e440$8bec060c@davelook> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"_O8oO3.0.l56.UCpUr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4804 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sat, 6 Jun 1998, davelook wrote: > Bill, > Don't forget to see how the mist reacts around a perm magnet!! Forgot that one! I just tried a .75" x 3/8" neodymium cylinder magnet, rotating it near an air-thread while shielding it within my hand. No motion of the dot in the mist, except for wiggles caused by my hand (I mean, the dot did not move in and out as the magnet rotated, as far as I could see) ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 7 17:44:13 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA25709; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 17:44:07 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 17:44:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 17:36:53 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: bizarre "voltage rays" In-Reply-To: <01a201bd9175$f5579200$8bec060c@davelook> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"H97ai2.0.aH6.IFpUr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4805 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sat, 6 Jun 1998, davelook wrote: > If you disconnected the pos. lead from the pan, did they still burrow > into the mist? Yes, but the lead had to be held much closer to the pan before I could see anything. It seems to be caused by voltage DIFFERENCE. If the pan is not grounded, it probably charges up a bit, so the voltage between the pan and the air-thread emitter is smaller. If I sit in a plastic chair and charge myself, while the pan is grounded, I can make air-thread holes in the mist with my hands. I tried both polarities, but it didn't seem to make any difference. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 7 21:37:25 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA13353; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 21:37:14 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 21:37:14 -0700 (PDT) From: trknute@earthlink.net Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980607114003.007c9680@earthlink.net> X-Sender: trknute@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 11:40:03 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Re : Stanley Meyer In-Reply-To: <199806071445.QAA06044@imaginet.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ZN1bI2.0.OG3.qfsUr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4806 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 04:45 PM 6/7/98 +0200, you wrote: >Hi Bob & all > >Bob Colvin wrote, about Stanley Meyer : >> BTW - He just died recently of poison! > >Bob, unless you have specific or unpublished evidence about that (and in >that case please tell us more), I think it's irresponsible to start that >kind of rumour. > >To the best of our knowledge, as discussed in this list or Vortex-l a few >weeks ago, Meyer died of a ruptured brain aneurism. It was a health >accident. An autopsy was performed to confirm it. > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Jean-Pierre Lentin >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >Dear Mr. Lentin, Please do not take to heart what may have been circulated in this inquiry. Inclusive to his inquiry was his request for more factual information. I myself have recently lost a dear friend and associate who also worked in water fuel technologies, Yull Brown. I was not present at his death and am very concerned to find any information on or about his passing. I am very familiar with many of the illnesses that Yull Brown suffered from, and I would like more information to understand for myself that his death was consistent with preexisting conditions. It is not a matter that one would seek to shed doubt on the death of a specific researcher, but rather to be mindful of issues of the passing of someone who was doing sensitive research in a field that has adversaries in established energy technologies. Although a rather closed school of study, hydrogen technologies have been rot with untimely deaths, and unusual accidents. Although both the passing of Yull Brown and Stan Meyer are more consistent with natural causes, referenced by their advanced age, I would hope the death of any and all involved in this technology be taken with a special air of scrutiny. Any revolution has its' casualties, it is just that we all would like to be assured that these two happened while peacefully at home, and by confirmed natural causes. Your assertions are truly comforting to me, but I would ask if you could offer the hospital, and County Corner of record, to substantiate your information. The critical issue that I am still concerned with, is the lack of educational exposure of our young people to the principles of electrolyses and the work of Faraday and others. In my education these subjects were broached in great detail in first year, secondary level education, (13 to 14 years of age). Freshman Chemistry covered these principles and hydrogen bonding as foundational to the study of basic Chemistry. I have found it to be that most of these academic fundamentals have been replaced, substituting a curriculum favoring an earlier course material that more resembles basic physiology or health class. Review of texts for classroom work indicates that these principles are not to be found presently, prior to 3rd. year university levels. These facts equate to an academic postponement of more than 6 years. I would hope that this is only a regional condition of our educational system, but I fear that it may be more wide spread. I may point out that similar degradations of curriculums have been evident in Political Science, Philosophy, and Psychology. My paranoia may manifest in my investigations, or as I hope to point out that to limit academic access, would be as functional to repression as the eliminating those who wound seek to further scientific work in these areas. Literally, to remove the information from the memory of man! In that all educational texts of course study, are approved by governmental authority, I would be most suspicious if you, might also see a trend in this sort of degradation of academic content. Our Nation, USA, is rated the highest in per capita spending on education, yet our students are ranked 40th in world standings. Rather than our children not being able to compete as they once did, could it bee that they are just not exposed to an international standard of fundamental information? It has long been an accepted fact, that in the US, general History and Literature courses have long been in error, tantamount to a international joke. Could it be in the quest to prepare or children with specific and specialized, vocational targeted education's, that the value of a broad yet comprehensive formal education is the true casualty? Please excuse these issues if unfounded. I may be overly sensitive, as I too have worked in developing new applications for Hydrogen over the last thirty years. Respectfully TR Knudtson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 7 22:12:06 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA20132; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 22:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 22:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <357B7068.6495@keelynet.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 00:02:32 -0500 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Re : Stanley Meyer References: <199806071445.QAA06044@imaginet.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wMLTQ.0.Tw4.HAtUr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4807 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Jean Pierre et al! You wrote about the rumors circulating about Stan Meyers recent death; > ...I think it's irresponsible to start that kind of rumour. I applaud you for saying this publicly, speaking as one who has been duped recently by one unidentified idiot with his own miserable agenda, I will now be ever on guard for such conspiracy type rumors that are unsubstantiated by so much as a simple phone call on my part. I did call after a report that one researcher had died and his wife answered asking if I was calling to see if Tom was dead......she has a great sense of humor as does he so they werne't particularly upset about it, but it is such a waste of time to create such useless mischief. With this recent spate of deaths, Marinov, Meyers, DePalma and now Yull Brown, the rumor mills have lots to play with. It is sad to see these guys no longer with us and it definitely serves no purpose to be promulgating and propagating hearsay that is not proven in the least. Thanks for pointing it out, very nice to see... -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 ICQ # - 13175100 / AOL - Keelyman KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 8 17:35:26 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA24648; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:35:10 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:35:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000d01bd933c$f419e320$a0ec060c@davelook> From: "davelook" To: Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 20:24:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"Gb0P52.0.w06.vC8Vr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4808 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >> Bill, >> Don't forget to see how the mist reacts around a perm magnet!! > >Forgot that one! I just tried a .75" x 3/8" neodymium cylinder magnet, >rotating it near an air-thread while shielding it within my hand. No >motion of the dot in the mist, except for wiggles caused by my hand (I >mean, the dot did not move in and out as the magnet rotated, as far as I >could see) Try pointing the face of the magnet right into the mist, (try both polarities.) I think it's neat that you found any easy way to see how charged particles move. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 8 19:18:33 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA16476; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:18:28 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:18:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980609011525.006aa5e0@mail.wincom.net> X-Sender: wood@mail.wincom.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 21:15:25 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wood Subject: hydrogen Resent-Message-ID: <"Fl9Z91.0.L14.mj9Vr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4809 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 11:40 AM 6/7/98 -0700, you wrote: >I may be overly sensitive, as I too have worked in developing new >applications for Hydrogen over the last thirty years. > >Respectfully > >TR Knudtson > > > A while back you said you would post instructions for building a hydrogen generator.How is that project coming? Woody From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 9 01:38:30 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA24962; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 01:38:25 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 01:38:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <357CF211.4374E991@t-link.net> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 22:28:01 -1000 From: Alastair Couper Reply-To: aquarius@t-link.net Organization: aquarian electronics X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Rodin coil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"DFGl92.0.w56._HFVr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4810 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Kyle Mcallister wrote: >Hello all: >Has anyone here done much research with Rodin coils, and if so, what was the nature >of that research? I have looked into Marko's work, and talked with him in person. He is definately some sort of visionary, and is able to tell an interesting tale, but is not able to put enough pieces of his puzzle together to get to the hardware level. On my web site I have placed my paper that was originally published in the Proceedings of the April 1996 ISNE conference in Denver. It gives some of my wide eyed speculations on what Marko may be saying, and how it relates to physics. My associate Bill Ramsay has wound a number of coils using Marko's geometry, but all that he is able to say at the moment is that they have a "different" shape to their field than a normal toroid, having some field external to the core. The flux is only partially cancelled, so it is not like a true cadueceus coil either. Marko says that he doesn't feel that a copper wound coil is what is required, and I would have to agree. Until we come to some idea about what is meant by the numerological manipulations he uses, it will remain a curiosity. -- Alastair Couper aquarius@ccmaui.net Aquarian Electronics Maui, Hawaii http://www.ccmaui.net/~aquarius/aquarian.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 9 09:02:26 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA08262; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:02:14 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:02:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <357D5B4A.13F8BE52@t-link.net> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 05:56:58 -1000 From: Alastair Couper Reply-To: aquarius@t-link.net Organization: aquarian electronics X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Stanley Meyer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pvQ_D3.0.z02.2oLVr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4811 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Bob Colvin wrote: >Yes, I read a few months ago that someone had figured it out and duplicated >his results on a website. I'll go back through ny notes to see if I can find >it and post the information. I am all ears. At the moment I am experimenting with my best guess, based on his various patents, at what he was doing. Using stainless tubes concentric, 1/2" inside of 3/4", I have yet to see any signs of Meyer's resonance condition. I am a bit concerned about the nature of his "amps consuming device". If this is a critical part of the whole as I think it is, there is no information to go by on it. Perhaps some sort of negative resistance? On Stephan Hartman's site, there are two .mpeg files: meyer1.mpeg and meyer2.mpeg which though brief are worth seeing. (I'll go and find the exact url if you don't find them.) It seems that at the end of his life he had changed his focus to the direct explosion of water vapor in the engine's cylinder, using high voltage and perhaps the Keely frequency of 43kHz. Don't know if this is an indication of some problem with his original designs, which by the movie, seems to work very well. -- Alastair Couper aquarius@ccmaui.net Aquarian Electronics Maui, Hawaii http://www.ccmaui.net/~aquarius/aquarian.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 9 09:25:26 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA04482; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:25:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:25:20 -0700 Message-ID: <357D5E54.5E92307D@t-link.net> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 06:09:56 -1000 From: Alastair Couper Reply-To: aquarius@t-link.net Organization: aquarian electronics X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Stanley Meyer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qVUug.0.p51.l7MVr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4812 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com The two movies showing Meyer's work are at: http://www.overunity.com/movies/meyer1.mpg http://www.overunity.com/movies/meyer2.mpg -- Alastair Couper aquarius@ccmaui.net Aquarian Electronics Maui, Hawaii http://www.ccmaui.net/~aquarius/aquarian.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 9 12:48:26 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA25391; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:48:14 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:48:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:35:46 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Weird Medicine In-Reply-To: <199806091724.MAA26314@atlantis.uwf.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"ElsXq1.0.dC6.x5PVr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4813 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Jim Green on PHYS-L wrote: > What can you tell me re a medical test which consists of hooking a person > to a PC like machine (German software) with EKG--like electrodes and > probing for 12 minutes under computer control while the computer > determines the "frequencies" of various parts of the body -- organs and > organisms floating about -- parasites, etc. The test reports nutrition > deficiencies -- low amino acids. etc -- and poisons, allergies, and > hypersensitivity -- even "genetic propensities" -- all for too much money. > Some friends spent $100 each for this analysis recently. Has anyone on freenrg-L encountered this before? Is there a website? ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 9 14:44:36 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA27604; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:43:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:43:57 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 07:43:39 +1000 X-Sender: mindtech@mailhost.nor.com.au (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: mindtech@nor.com.au (Peter Nielsen) Subject: Re: Weird Medicine Resent-Message-ID: <"dYdEC3.0.6l6.ToQVr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4814 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >> What can you tell me re a medical test which consists of hooking a person >> to a PC like machine (German software) with EKG--like electrodes and >> probing for 12 minutes under computer control while the computer >> determines the "frequencies" of various parts of the body -- organs and >> organisms floating about -- parasites, etc. The test reports nutrition >> deficiencies -- low amino acids. etc -- and poisons, allergies, and >> hypersensitivity -- even "genetic propensities" -- all for too much money. >> Some friends spent $100 each for this analysis recently. > > >Has anyone on freenrg-L encountered this before? Is there a website? > >William J. Beaty > There are a number of these things around. Look for conductance imbalances in the meridian system, as I recall. Perhaps the most widely known is the LISTEN system. Others, like Sherry Edwards, use spectral deficiencies in the human voice to diagnose. In both cases the remedy can be effected as energy input, i.e. balancing volts or sound respectively. You can also do a search for "radionics" or "psionics", but that will get you a dose of other things based on dowsing and mechanized ceremonial magic. And then some apply these terms to any form of energetic healing that is tunable. In this non-definitive climate, there was always a debate about whether or not the machine was necessary. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 9 16:57:17 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA19212; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:57:12 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:57:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806092356.QAA19133@mx2.eskimo.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Dean T. Miller" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:45:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Weird Medicine Reply-to: dtmiller@mcleodusa.net Priority: normal References: <199806091724.MAA26314@atlantis.uwf.edu> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"AACBS2.0.5i4.MlSVr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4815 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Bill, > Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:35:46 -0700 (PDT) > From: William Beaty > On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Jim Green on PHYS-L wrote: > > What can you tell me re a medical test which consists of hooking a person > > to a PC like machine (German software) with EKG--like electrodes and > > probing for 12 minutes under computer control while the computer > > determines the "frequencies" of various parts of the body -- organs and > > organisms floating about -- parasites, etc. The test reports nutrition > > deficiencies -- low amino acids. etc -- and poisons, allergies, and > > hypersensitivity -- even "genetic propensities" -- all for too much money. > > Some friends spent $100 each for this analysis recently. This is the test device used to develop Hulda Clark's "Zapper" The Zapper is a low voltage pulse generator that supposedly kills parasites, fungii, bacteria, and viruses. IMO, it works, as it's the ONLY method that knocked out a chronic sinus condition I had for about 7 years. None of the procedures of conventional medicine worked (including CAT scans and all sorts of other tests, procedures and medicines) and none of the herbal/natural regimens had a major effect. The Zapper worked within hours -- and I use it at least once per week now and whenever I suspect I'm getting an infection of any type. The device is described in "The Cure for All Diseases" by Hulda Clark and the book is freely copyable and available at many vitamin and natural food stores (but not GNC that I've seen). There are many commercial Zappers on the market -- all made in Canada because of FDA regulations. But they all use a 9 volt supply (as suggested in the book), while I've found that using a 12 volt supply is at least 10 times more effective. -- Dean -- from Des Moines (KB0ZDF) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 9 17:27:57 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA25054; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:27:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Bmd2323@aol.com Message-ID: <8d4ffe93.357dd256@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:24:53 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Weird Medicine info Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"dtbUH.0.M76.vBTVr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4816 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com For other things like the medical diagnosing software as you described you might check www.lauralee.com, www.artbell.com, www.keynet.net/~lindsay (see the "Secrets" part of the catalog) and the Borderland Sciences website (Don't know the url, sorry.) You might also check Nick Begitch's (of "Angels Don't Play This HAARP" fame, you can hit it from a link on either Art Bell's site, or Laura Lee's. He describes something similar to that. There's also a couple of books by Robert O. Becker, "The Body Electric," and "Cross Currents: The perils of electromangetic pollution, the promise of electro medicine." Tesla's Lahovisky's Oscillator is supposed to be able to do something similar if I'm not mistaken. Brian Drake (Bmd2323@aol.com) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 9 18:37:45 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA10723; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:37:31 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:37:31 -0700 (PDT) From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <5a70a83d.357de15a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:28:57 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Some didn't get this Greg Watson post Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"8ijOr.0.Rd2.PDUVr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4817 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi all, I have talked to 5 people on the list that didn't get this post. I am reposting it for those who might have been left out due to some technical problem. Thanks, Butch LaFonte >Subj: Smot Kits Date: 98-05-26 02:41:23 EDT From: gwatson@microtronics.com.au (Greg Watson) Reply-to: freenrg-l@eskimo.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com (List FreeNrg) Hi All, The DMEC deal still is a mess. It looks like I will not have access to my material for some time. Always remember, "Contracts are only worth the money you have to give to lawyers. When the money runs out, so to do the lawyers and your contract." However, I have developed a sort of reverse SMOT unit which gives solid rollaways. It's still in the SMOT family, sort of. Remember the differential SMOT loss page. Well its all in there. I have also been working on a new effect with Butch LaFonte which we call the LaFonte-Watson Generator. Based on a unique, but simple, effect which causes a ferromagnetic object to be attracted toward a area of decreasing magnetic flux. More details soon. Best Regards to you all, Greg Watson< From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 9 21:33:18 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA18233; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:33:08 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:33:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <357E34B1.F28@tiac.net> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:24:33 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Weird Medicine References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"N-WZP3.0.eS4.0oWVr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4818 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com William Beaty wrote: > > On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Jim Green on PHYS-L wrote: > > What can you tell me re a medical test which consists of hooking a person > > to a PC like machine (German software) with EKG--like electrodes and > > probing for 12 minutes under computer control while the computer > > determines the "frequencies" of various parts of the body -- organs and > > organisms floating about -- parasites, etc. The test reports nutrition > > deficiencies -- low amino acids. etc -- and poisons, allergies, and > > hypersensitivity -- even "genetic propensities" -- all for too much money. > > Some friends spent $100 each for this analysis recently. > > Has anyone on freenrg-L encountered this before? Is there a website? Yes, there are several, try these for a start: http://www.cerebrex.com/psionic.htm http://www.eav.org/gb/e_standa.htm#Therapie) This type of treatment is fairly common overseas. Its a booming practice in Irsael with all the Russian Doctors and 'bioenergetics' people who have moved there recently. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 9 21:52:24 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA21692; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <357E0FBA.F502245C@t-link.net> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 18:46:50 -1000 From: Alastair Couper Reply-To: aquarius@t-link.net Organization: aquarian electronics X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: free energy Subject: Re: Wierd Medicine Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qLLal.0.mI5.j3XVr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4819 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dean Miller wrote: >There are many commercial >Zappers on the market -- all made >in Canada because of FDA regulations. Not all. I have sold 200 of these over the last while, and have had only a handful of those users saying "nothing happened". Zero negative reports. I am like you- major changes in very short time after much casting about. I have some insights and results on my web page, (now proper :-( URL below) especially interesting in that Edgar Casey seems to have forseen this usage long ago. -- Alastair Couper aquarius@ccmaui.net Aquarian Electronics Maui, Hawaii http://www.ccmaui.net/~aquarius/aquarian.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 9 22:07:34 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA24824; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 22:07:24 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 22:07:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001201bd9412$4121d3a0$e95cadd1@default> From: "Jim Shaffer, Jr." To: Subject: Re: Weird Medicine Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:51:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"EQWcc1.0.n36.9IXVr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4820 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >You can also do a search for "radionics" or "psionics", but that will get >you a dose of other things based on dowsing and mechanized ceremonial >magic. Actually, these days, a search on "radionics" will get you an alarm company by that name, "psionics" will get you any number of fantasy games, and "psychotronics" will get you low-budget horror films. It's very annoying! I wish people would be check out whether a name is in use before they decide to use it. (Well, "psionics" is a generic term, but you get the picture.) -- "Volleyball is racquetless team ping-pong played with an inflated ball and an elevated net while standing on the table." --George Carlin From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 9 22:20:28 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA26136; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 22:20:15 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 22:20:15 -0700 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Message-ID: <99b31f75.357e174f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 01:19:10 EDT To: vortex-l@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: gwatson@microtronics.com.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re : Re: Cause for optimisim with SMOT. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 116 Resent-Message-ID: <"I8NqM2.0.DO6.EUXVr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4821 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On 06/06/1998 06:21:13 , gwatson@microtronics.com.au a wrote: << Thanks for the input. I will be posting photos and adjustment hints for the Mk5 on Tuesday. Will advise when they are up. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson >> Hi Greg, We are on 06-10-98 (Wednesday) and nothing updated.... :-( Jean-Louis Naudin (France) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 10 00:39:19 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA19928; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:39:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:39:12 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:35:51 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199806100735.JAA22709@imaginet.fr> X-Sender: lentin@mail.imaginet.fr X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jean-Pierre Lentin Subject: Re : Weird Medicine Resent-Message-ID: <"oTbTx.0.Ct4.WWZVr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4822 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Bill & all ! Bill, you opened a mighty can of worms ! Electronic medicine is a booming field in alternative science, just like free energy. There are hundreds of devices ! Several mailing lists are discussing them, and I'm on them all... So, speaking with confidence, I can tell you the answer to your original post. The German machine described on PHYS-L is almost certainly a MORA device (or one of the German imitators, like Vega-Test). MORA's website : http://www.med-tronik.de/home_eng.htm Check also this Canadian site that imports MORA & Vega systems (and is actually more informative than the German MORA site) : http://www.oirf.com/index.html Hope this helps. Regards to all. BTW, isn't it slightly off-topic ? Oh, well... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jean-Pierre Lentin --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 10 05:37:43 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA29530; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 05:37:38 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 05:37:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:24:18 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19980610192417.2a2f2da8@pop3.friend.ly.net> X-Sender: geet@pop3.friend.ly.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Bob Colvin Subject: Re: Stan Meyer Death Resent-Message-ID: <"onoKJ3.0.ID7.GudVr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4823 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 04:45 PM 6/7/98 +0200, you wrote: >Hi Bob & all > >Bob Colvin wrote, about Stanley Meyer : >> BTW - He just died recently of poison! > >Bob, unless you have specific or unpublished evidence about that (and in >that case please tell us more), I think it's irresponsible to start that >kind of rumour. > >To the best of our knowledge, as discussed in this list or Vortex-l a few >weeks ago, Meyer died of a ruptured brain aneurism. It was a health >accident. An autopsy was performed to confirm it. > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Jean-Pierre Lentin >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Hi, This URL was where I originally found out about Stan's death. Then I confirmed it through a friend of mine that contacted Stan's associates directly. Any questions? Maybe this is not a coincidence that DePalma, Meyer, Brown, etc have all died lately. Paul Pantone of GEET has taken precautions to prevent this from happening to him, he has distributed information on the GEET Fuel Processor that runs on water to Church groups and individuals. So that if something happens to him or his organization the information will be distributed immediately. http://www.keelynet.com/energy/meyerx.htm http://www.friend.ly.net/GEET Best Regards, Bob + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Bob Colvin - GEET of MD/WI + + + + http://www.Friend.ly.Net/GEET + + + + mailto:geet@friend.ly.net + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 10 05:39:48 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA07584; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 05:39:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 05:39:42 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:28:21 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19980610192820.30377650@pop3.friend.ly.net> X-Sender: geet@pop3.friend.ly.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Bob Colvin Subject: Re: hydrogen Resent-Message-ID: <"WXcj5.0.Ks1.DwdVr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4824 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 09:15 PM 6/8/98 -0400, you wrote: >At 11:40 AM 6/7/98 -0700, you wrote: >>I may be overly sensitive, as I too have worked in developing new >>applications for Hydrogen over the last thirty years. >> >>Respectfully >> >>TR Knudtson >> >> >> > A while back you said you would post instructions for building a hydrogen >generator.How is that project coming? > > > > Woody > > Hi Woody, Try looking at the GEET Fuel Processer. It has run on gas and diesel engines and home heating units. Also there is no reason it won't work on turbine engines of fuel cells. http://www.friend.ly.net/GEET Thanks, Bob + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Bob Colvin - GEET of MD/WI + + + + http://www.Friend.ly.Net/GEET + + + + mailto:geet@friend.ly.net + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 10 07:19:19 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA20246; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 07:19:14 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 07:19:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:05:53 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19980610210549.37d7ee7a@pop3.friend.ly.net> X-Sender: geet@pop3.friend.ly.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Bob Colvin Subject: Re: Stanley Meyer Resent-Message-ID: <"uSbg81.0.Fy4.WNfVr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4825 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:05:40 >To: aquarius@t-link.net >From: Bob Colvin >Subject: Re: Stanley Meyer > >At 05:56 AM 6/9/98 -1000, you wrote: >>Bob Colvin wrote: >> >>>Yes, I read a few months ago that someone had figured it out and duplicated >>>his results on a website. I'll go back through ny notes to see if I can find >>>it and post the information. >> >>I am all ears. At the moment I am experimenting with my best >>guess, based on his various patents, at what he was doing. Using >>stainless tubes concentric, 1/2" inside of 3/4", I have yet to >>see any signs of Meyer's resonance condition. I am a bit >>concerned about the nature of his "amps consuming device". If >>this is a critical part of the whole as I think it is, there is >>no information to go by on it. Perhaps some sort of negative >>resistance? >> >>On Stephan Hartman's site, there are two .mpeg files: meyer1.mpeg >>and meyer2.mpeg which though brief are worth seeing. (I'll go and >>find the exact url if you don't find them.) It seems that at the >>end of his life he had changed his focus to the direct explosion >>of water vapor in the engine's cylinder, using high voltage and >>perhaps the Keely frequency of 43kHz. Don't know if this is an >>indication of some problem with his original designs, which by >>the movie, seems to work very well. >>-- >>Alastair Couper aquarius@ccmaui.net >>Aquarian Electronics Maui, Hawaii >>http://www.ccmaui.net/~aquarius/aquarian.net >> >Hi, >I found the site I was looking for about Stan Meyer's experiments! >Take a look at this link. Maybe we can all pick up where Stan left off. >Also do a search on the IBM Patent searcher under Stan Meyer for info. > >Thanks, Bob > >http://www.iinet.net.au/~steveb/danforth/dan1.html > > + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Bob Colvin - GEET of MD/WI + + + + http://www.Friend.ly.Net/GEET + + + + mailto:geet@friend.ly.net + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 10 16:10:02 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA30107; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:09:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:09:44 -0700 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Test results-scalar waves transmitter Message-ID: <19980610.181030.7895.2.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <01BD8CC8.BB750C40@pm3-124.gpt.infi.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-12 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:08:05 EDT Resent-Message-ID: <"zjDbh2.0.JM7.t8nVr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4826 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Fri, 05 Jun 1998 22:06:27 -0600 Byrun Fox writes: >Dear Steve: > >I would love to see that one pager on coils, perhaps you could post >it, if >you mail it to me I'll send you a buck (U.S. of course) > >Thanks in advance for any assistance, > It's in the mail! However, I did lie...it's two pages! ;-) Steve Heckman _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 10 16:39:55 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA00323; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:39:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:39:48 -0700 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Re : Stanley Meyer Message-ID: <19980610.184035.7895.3.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <3.0.5.32.19980607114003.007c9680@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-5,7,9-10,12-23,27-28,31-32,34-39 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:38:16 EDT Resent-Message-ID: <"yaoYj2.0.x4.4bnVr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4827 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sun, 07 Jun 1998 11:40:03 -0700 trknute@earthlink.net writes: > In my education these subjects were broached in great detail in first year, secondary level education, (13 to 14 years of age). >I may point out that similar degradations of curriculums have been >evident in Political Science, Philosophy, and Psychology. My paranoia may >manifest in my investigations, or as I hope to point out that to limit academic >access, would be as functional to repression as the eliminating those >who wound seek to further scientific work in these areas. Literally, to >remove the information from the memory of man! >Please excuse these issues if unfounded. > >I may be overly sensitive, as I too have worked in developing new >applications for Hydrogen over the last thirty years. > >Respectfully > >TR Knudtson I don't believe that your assesment is in any way incorrect. This is one reason my step-son is home schooled, and why we will do the same with my daughter, when she is in nineth grade (my ex-wife had alot to do with us not schooling her now). Have to blame both Parents (to busy) and Kids (no attention span, and most are interested in the next party), after all, the info is still out there! It is really weird, though, that both the politcally-correct left wing AND big-business interests both seek to dumb down the general population. Kinda parallels what M. Twain was stating about the Physics community. Steve Heckman _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 11 19:51:20 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA13535; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 19:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 19:50:02 -0700 (PDT) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:34:35 -0400 Subject: Maxwell Equations Message-ID: <19980611.223442.6374.1.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-4,7-8,12-13,15-19 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"En2HL2.0.GJ3.LT9Wr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4828 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Howdy! In a recent post I ask about two references that I was looking for. The reason that I was asking was both concerned Maxwell's Equations. I have looked at Doug Sweetser's site which shows them in a quaternion format, and I am looking at any other related info that discusses the scalar term that Bearden talks so much about. I do have Maxwell's books, if someone could pinpoint the pages that actually discusses the scalar term in the equation it would be helpful. I also have both Wittacker papers that also included some scalar info, but I am progressing very slowly on my own in understanding the math. Someone did post a URL that included "redshift" as part of the address, but it didn't work for me. Again, any references or suggestions would be appreciated. Steve Heckman _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 12 09:53:21 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA04291; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:53:14 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:53:14 -0700 (PDT) From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <4d4635c4.35815c08@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:49:11 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Test (Delete) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"fSCfc1.0.y21.spLWr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4829 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Test(Delete) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 12 10:40:01 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA23536; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:39:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:39:48 -0700 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Message-ID: <613e16af.35816741@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:37:04 EDT To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: My Newman's motor is on the web... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 116 Resent-Message-ID: <"vXsCW2.0.bl5.ZVMWr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4830 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi All, I have build successfully the Newman's Magnetic motor, so I have updated my web site with all pictures, diagrams and scope pictures about my V1.0 You will find all these informations at : http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlnaudin/html/qmmv11.htm The tests phase will begin next week...more to come soon.. Sincerely, Jean-Louis Naudin (France) Email : JNaudin509@aol.com my Overunity WEB Server : http://members.aol.com/JNaudin509/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 12 16:15:37 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05634; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:15:27 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:15:27 -0700 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Request for info. Message-ID: <19980612.181644.8247.5.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,4-6,8-17 Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 19:14:21 EDT Resent-Message-ID: <"22DGn3.0.xN1.FQRWr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4831 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello all... The one article that I requested is also found in the Nov 85 issue of the Planetary Society for Clean Energy Newsletter (Vol. 4 #3). >1. Jack Dea, "Fundamental Fields and Phase Information" July 1985 USPA >Conference, Dayton Ohio. Any copies out there? Also, does anyone the the e-mail address for the US Psychotronics Assn? I tried their website, but the one I tried didn't work. Thanks. Steve Heckman _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 12 19:29:36 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA27843; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 19:29:27 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 19:29:27 -0700 Message-ID: <00cb01bd9672$d2ee1b60$94ec060c@davelook> From: "davelook" To: Subject: Re: Re : Stanley Meyer Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 22:27:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"Yuqua.0.qo6.5GUWr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4832 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Kinda parallels what M. Twain was stating about the Physics community. > > >Steve Heckman What's that, in a nutshell? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 13 09:49:25 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA07063; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 09:49:11 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 09:49:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3582AEE2.1F74@servtech.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 12:54:58 -0400 From: "Robert W. Gray" Reply-To: rwgray@servtech.com Organization: P.D.Structures X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Magnetic Bubble Motor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-F-1B1.0.Gk1.5sgWr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4833 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Core dump... (I.e., this is a bit long, but I need to get this information out...) I have spent over a year working with a group of people on John Searl's device(s). The group was in close contact with Searl and tried the best we could to follow his instructions. (Some fo this work is shown on the D.I.S.C. web page.) After an unsuccessfull attempt to reproduce Searl's effect, the group fell apart. Although I am still interested in Searl's work, I descided to "take a break" and look into Floyd Sweet's work a little. After reading some stuff on Sweet's work from the web, I began studying magnetic bubbles. I think I found a way to make a magnet, properly magnetized, move around another magnet in such a way as to get "over unity" effects. Because I have not seen this method described anywhere, I have applied for a U.S.A. patent. This might be the way Searl's stuff works, but, as I just said, I have never heard Searl say anything about magnetic bubbles, nor are they mentioned in any of his books. Here is what I have found: Consider a peice of thin magnetic magnetic material. A magnetic bubble is a closed, usually cylindrical shaped, region which has its magnetization direction in the opposite direction from the magnetization direction outside the magnetic bubble. The bubble wall is the transition from the inside of the magnetic bubble to the outside of the magnetic bubble in which the magnetization switches directions. This transition, say from North being "up" to North being "down" can have many twists. These twists are give rise to what are called "hard bubbles" and are labeled by "State numbers" (S). The large in magnitude S is, the more twists there are in the magnetic bubble wall. For example, S = 10 has more twists than, say, S = 5. As you may know, magnetic bubbles can move quite freely in magnetic bubble material under the influence a a magnetic field *gradient*. But what you might not know is that the larger the magnitude of the state number S for the magnetic bubble, the larger the deflection angle will be from the direction of the magnetic field gradient direction. The deflection angle will be from 0 to 90 degrees! The state numbers are given + and - signs depending on whether the bubble deflects to the right or the left of the magnetic field gradient. Now consider a material with thousands of magnetic bubbles in it all with the same state number (S) sign (all "+" say). All the magnetic bubbles in the material will want to move to the right of an applied magnetic field gradient. Next, you need to know 2 things about magnetic bubbles: 1) Magnetic bubbles try to repel each other. 2) Magnetic bubbles can be "pinned" in place or confined within a region of the material by a number different methods. What this means is that it is possible to transfer the force attempting to move the magnetic bubbles in the material at an angle to the applied magnetic field gradient into a force on the material at an angle to the magnetic field gradient. So consider a magnetic field gradient (a large round, cylinder magnet.) The magnetic field gradient will be in the radial direction all around the magnet in the plane cutting through the cylinder magnet 1/2 way up the cylinder length and parallel to the 2 circular ends. Now, another "normal magnet" placed in this plane will move only radially "in" toward the cylinder magnetic or radially "out" away from the cylinder magnetic. (This assumes restricting this 2nd magnet so it can only move in the plane mentioned above.) But if this 2nd magnet is full of magnet bubbles, with all (or most) of the bubbles' state number the same sign (say "+") then there will be an additional force on the material at an angle to the magnetic field gradient direction. This force may be small compared to the "usual" force on the magnetic material, so the component of the total force due to the magnetic bubbles pushing on the material (at an angle to the magnetic field gradient) may not be noticed. But if the material containning the magnetic bubbles is restricted so it can not move in the radial direction, but can freely move in a circle around the magnetic field gradient source magnet, then the material containning the magnetic bubbles will push the material around the source magnet. R ^-->/ | / G | / B |/ ------------- | bubble | | material | ------------- G is the magnetic field gradient, B is the direction of the force the magnetic bubbles will push the material and R is the componet of B perpendicular to G. Since the material is restricted from moving in the G direction, only the R force will be left. So the material should move to the right (or around the magnetic field gradient source as explainned above.) This is essentually the content of the patent I have applied for. This *might* be the way Searl got magnetics to move around other magnets, *but I don't know if it is or is not.* As far as I know, Searl never mentioned magnetic bubbles. Now, lets look at the way magnetic bubble arrays are created (arrays of magnetic bubbles in a material.) According to the literature (I'll give references below), you apply a short magnetic pulses to the material. In some cases, you apply a DC bias field and on top of that you apply the pulses. There are some papers that show more than one pulse is better (to create lots of bubbles) than just one pulse. There has been some research which shows that above a certain temperature, hard bubbles (|S| >> 0), which is what we want, will no be formed. Also, most research on bubble creation has been in the direction of hard bubble suppression. I can't find a lot of references to hard bubble creation. Next, there is an issue about how to insure that the state sign of the magnetic bubbles are all (or amost all) the same. When the pulses are applied to generate the bubbles, they magnetization in the bubbles wall can twist around "clockwise" or "counter-clockwise". There is no preference. I suggest that in addition to the magnetic field, the sample (material to be magnetized) be placed in an electric field during the magnetization process. (Is this starting to sound familar or what!?) This will impose a prefered direction for the magnetization twists during the magnetization process. So, most of the magnetic bubbles produced will have the same state sign. So, magnetization process: 1) The material should probably be cooled. But this might not be necassary (probably material type dependent.) 2) The material should be placed in an electric field during the magnetization process. The magnitude of the electric field will need to be determined by experimentation. 3) Apply a DC magnetic field to the sample close to the saturation field strength. 4) Apply many magnetic field pulses. According to the literature, these should be "short" pulses. Approx. MegHz range. I am hoping to try this out on some BaFe(12)O(19) (Barium Ferrite) magnets some day. (The magnets are on order, but I don't have the equipment yet.) The DC field for the Barium Ferrite magnetics will be approx 3500 Oe to 4000 Oe. Because of the rise time requirements, I think the pulse magnetic field should be less than 200 Oe. (That's what I intend to try. Adjusting as more info comes in, of course.) (I will try anistropic, Barium Ferrite, made by "wet process" first because it has the lowest coercive force (1,800 to 2,200 Oe.) I have no guidence for the electric field. Strontium Ferrite should also be tried, but it has a higher coersive force rquirement (2,500 to 3,000 Oe.) Also, I can't find any references on magnetic bubbles in Strontium Ferrite, but I have found a reference which shows that magnetic bubbles can be formed in Barium Ferrite. References: (Everything I have written above can be found in the following references with the exception of using the magnetic bubbles to move the material which contians the magnetic bubbles.) T. H. O'Dell, Magnetic Bubbles, 1974. Pages 1 through 9 give an introduction to magnetic bubbles and shows the formation of bubbles by applying a pulse magnetic field. Easy reading. T.H. O'Dell, Ferromagnetodynamics, 1981. Pages 20 through 24 shows the deflection of "hard bubbles" with respect to the magnetic field gradient direction. C. Kooy and U. Enz, "Experimental and Theoretical Study of the Domain Configuration in Thin Layers of BaFe(12)O(19)", Philips Res. Pepts, Vol. 15, pp. 7-29, 1960. This reference shows that magnetic bubbles can exist in Barium Ferrite material and gives some magnetic field strength numbers. H. Junmin and R.M. Westervelt, "Commensurate-Incommensurate Transitions in Magnetic Bubble Arrays With Periodic Pinning", Physical Review B, Vol. 55, No. 2, pp. 771-774, 1997-II. The only reason I give this reference is to show that it is possible to pin magnetic bubbles in a material by laying down permalloy dots and traces on the material surface. I am not suggesting that this is the way to do it for above application (unless all other methods fail). R. Seshadri and R.M. Westervelt, "Forced Shear Flow of Magnetic Bubble Arrays", Physical Review Letters, Vol. 70, No. 2, pp. 234-237, 1993. I give this reference only for the following quote: "After 60 sec, the force was turned off and the array was allowed to relax to avoid building up a preasure gradient opposed to the flow." This is just what we want, a pressure on the bubble material opposed to the "flow direction" of the magnetic bubbles. (Granted, I am *assuming* this pressure is a result of the bubbles piling up at the material edge and the material pushing back on the bubbles. It doesn't explicitely state this.) Does anyone see a problem with the physics here? Comments welcomed. Bob Gray From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 13 16:39:58 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA17382; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 16:39:44 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 16:39:44 -0700 (PDT) From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Re : Stanley Meyer Message-ID: <19980613.183832.8247.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <00cb01bd9672$d2ee1b60$94ec060c@davelook> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-12,15-16,18-20 Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 19:36:15 EDT Resent-Message-ID: <"C46643.0.TF4.zsmWr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4834 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Fri, 12 Jun 1998 22:27:32 -0400 "davelook" writes: >>Kinda parallels what M. Twain was stating about the Physics >community. >> >> >>Steve Heckman > > > What's that, in a nutshell? > > That they are pretty much barking up the wrong tree. And intentionally misleading us with "Pop Science". And this was before political correctness added it's brand of stupidity. Of course, if we were mainstream ourselves, we would not be on this listserver. Steve Heckman _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 13 17:19:19 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA13253; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 17:19:08 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 17:19:08 -0700 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Weird Medicine Message-ID: <19980613.192024.8247.3.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <199806091724.MAA26314@atlantis.uwf.edu> <19980610.181030.7895.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-10,13-15 Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 20:18:05 EDT Resent-Message-ID: <"Ys3zP1.0.-E3.yRnWr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4835 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Wed, 10 Jun 1998 18:11:08 steve-nyeoka writes: >A related device is the "Bioelectrifier", which was origionally >designed to kill the AIDS viris. It uses around 30V at 0.5 to 5 Hz. >Several articles were published in 73 magazine. Early devices used >relays, improved designs have been out for some time. Will post later >with some URL's. > Not Your Average Construction Project has a link to Beck's AIDS cure. Will post early in the week on the Bioelectrofier, my binder with the info. is in my work vehicle. Steve Heckman _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 13 20:19:01 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA21818; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 20:18:50 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 20:18:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001a01bd9741$e4246220$b0ec060c@davelook> From: "davelook" To: Subject: Re: Re : Stanley Meyer Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 23:09:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"JhUOG3.0.pK5.N4qWr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4836 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >That they are pretty much barking up the wrong tree. And intentionally >misleading us with "Pop Science". Thanks Steve. They're definitely barking up the wrong tree (they're not even in the right forest). Why don't they have an explanation for why the Earth speeds back up to normal speeds of rotation after big solar flares? "pop science"... is that like black hole conjecturing, or defining the exact properties of the first few minutes after the "big bang"? They delve into these things because they can't explain the world around us with any kind of understanding. Planetary Rotation? "Angular Momentum", next question please. Planetary orbiting? "Spinning mass of gas & dust", next. Gravity? "Gravity is a property of mass". Next..... Ad Nauseum. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 13 22:47:40 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA01785; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 22:46:13 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 22:46:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 22:46:07 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Weird Medicine In-Reply-To: <19980613.192024.8247.3.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"-mAqx.0.nR.bEsWr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4837 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thanks to everyone who helped out with URLs on this, I've passed the collection to the guy on PHYS-L. It was nice to see the topic even discussed on a physicist list! On Sat, 13 Jun 1998 steve-nyeoka@juno.com wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jun 1998 18:11:08 steve-nyeoka writes: > >A related device is the "Bioelectrifier", which was origionally > >designed to kill the AIDS viris. It uses around 30V at 0.5 to 5 Hz. > >Several articles were published in 73 magazine. Early devices used > >relays, improved designs have been out for some time. Will post later > >with some URL's. > > Not Your Average Construction Project has a link to Beck's AIDS cure. > Will post early in the week on the Bioelectrofier, my binder with the > info. is in my work vehicle. Another site I just found is www.bioelectrifier.com, associated with the article in the May 1997 issue of "73" magazine (someone at the previous "weird science" meeting passed this one along to me.) Actual experimentation with these devices is on-topic for this list. However, since mental healing ("placebo effect") is hard to distinguish from effects caused by the devices, it would be more appropriate to discuss experiments on test subjects (those on a microscope slide, for example.) If anyone has been successful in finding frequencies which kill certain microbes before your very eyes, I'd love to see a writeup which would let others duplicate the feat. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 14 00:47:39 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA21112; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 00:46:58 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 00:46:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980614034435.00bc38c0@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: atech@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 03:44:35 +0000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: "Dennis C. Lee" Subject: Re: Weird Medicine Cc: Alan.CHEAH@adecco.com, ahannan@MIT.EDU, lupem@world.std.com, peg@wintergreen.com, bso@acm.org, brenden@molec-geodesics.com, cls@ENGA.BU.EDU, crc@ENGA.BU.EDU, 76753.3551@compuserve.com, eben@ergeng.com, ehill@world.std.com, leep@world.std.com, ejp@world.std.com, wordpros@inforamp.net, moy@ziplink.net, gjcheah@guybutler.com, hic@world.std.com, jkokor@alum.mit.edu, jim@msri.org, John Ranta , joshprokop@worldnet.att.net, Leonard Dvorson , mary@gnu.ai.mit.edu, atc@wit.edu, ohl@world.std.com, pgm@world.std.com, rsmith@itiip.com, raddison@world.std.com, 71022.3001@compuserve.com, 73577.123@compuserve.com, tcapizzi@world.std.com, tom.duff@poweroasis.com, TAFAUL@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"wPf_g.0.j95.m_tWr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4838 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I put together the system (electric and magnetic pulser, silver colloid generator) for an aquaintance who has AIDS (he hired me to tech for him). He has been following recommended usage of these devices for over 4 months now. Some of his test results have come back. As predicted, Tcell count dropped dramatically, from 137 to 37. This is supposedly due to the infected Tcells disintergrating. He seems to be feeling quite well dispite the extremely low Tcell count. About a month ago, he was feeling so well that he rode his bicycle in the rain. He came down with pneumonia. The doctors at the hospital were perplexed due to the fact that xrays revealed that the pneumonia remained a small patch in one area of a lung. He had a viral load of 100,000 when tested several months earlier. The doctors expect pneumonia to be fatal with viral counts that high. He now has no trace of pneumonia and is leading an active life. The viral load count test results should be back in a week. At 10:46 PM 6/13/98 -0700, you wrote: > >Thanks to everyone who helped out with URLs on this, I've passed the >collection to the guy on PHYS-L. It was nice to see the topic even >discussed on a physicist list! > > >On Sat, 13 Jun 1998 steve-nyeoka@juno.com wrote: > >> On Wed, 10 Jun 1998 18:11:08 steve-nyeoka writes: >> >A related device is the "Bioelectrifier", which was origionally >> >designed to kill the AIDS viris. It uses around 30V at 0.5 to 5 Hz. >> >Several articles were published in 73 magazine. Early devices used >> >relays, improved designs have been out for some time. Will post later >> >with some URL's. >> >> Not Your Average Construction Project has a link to Beck's AIDS cure. >> Will post early in the week on the Bioelectrofier, my binder with the >> info. is in my work vehicle. > >Another site I just found is www.bioelectrifier.com, associated with the >article in the May 1997 issue of "73" magazine (someone at the previous >"weird science" meeting passed this one along to me.) Try: http://www.sota-inc.com/testimon.htm and http://www.action-electronics.com/ps.htm >Actual experimentation with these devices is on-topic for this list. >However, since mental healing ("placebo effect") is hard to distinguish >from effects caused by the devices, it would be more appropriate to >discuss experiments on test subjects (those on a microscope slide, for >example.) > >If anyone has been successful in finding frequencies which kill certain >microbes before your very eyes, I'd love to see a writeup which would let >others duplicate the feat. The mechanism at work here is a 50 - 100 microamp current inducing cell wall changes which eveventually disables the affected virus, bacteria, fungus, etc. while leaving the subjects cells unharmed. David Hudson also mentions the 'Body Electric' referance about this 50-100 microamp current changing red blood cells to undifferentiated (fetal like) tissue. The body can supposedly use this fetal tissue to regenerate any kind of cell. Tall Ships http://pw1.netcom.com/~atech/tallship.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 14 03:19:58 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA05305; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 03:19:20 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 03:19:20 -0700 (PDT) From: JNaudin509@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 06:16:16 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com, jdecker@keelynet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: My Newman's motor "Blueprint" is on the Web.... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 116 Resent-Message-ID: <"3YFhR1.0.jI1.aEwWr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4839 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi All, I am glad to give you, the complete and detailled diagrams of my Newman's motor that I have build successfully. You will find all these informations and some detailled pictures at : http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlnaudin/html/qmmv11.htm I hope that this will interest you, Sincerely, Jean-Louis Naudin (France) Email : JNaudin509@aol.com my Overunity WEB Server : http://members.aol.com/JNaudin509/ Jean-Louis Naudin (France) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 14 05:06:05 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA19005; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 05:05:33 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 05:05:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 20:03:00 +0200 Message-Id: <199806141803.UAA23906@cache.hb.vossnet.de> X-Sender: WDBAUER@pop3.vossnet.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: WDBAUER@vossnet.de (W.D. BAUER) Subject: Re: Magnetic Bubble Motor Resent-Message-ID: <"i5IaD.0.se4.BoxWr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4840 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello Bob ! you wrote >I think I found a way to make a magnet, properly magnetized, >move around another magnet in such a way as to get "over unity" >effects. > >Because I have not seen this method described anywhere, I have >applied for a U.S.A. patent. > >This might be the way Searl's stuff works, but, as I >just said, I have never heard Searl say anything about magnetic >bubbles, nor are they mentioned in any of his books. > Perhaps Searl does not know what he is doing because his theories allow not to make any reasonable consideration with respect to the theme acc. to my estimation. >Here is what I have found: > >Consider a peice of thin magnetic magnetic material. A magnetic >bubble is a closed, usually cylindrical shaped, region which has >its magnetization direction in the opposite direction from the >magnetization direction outside the magnetic bubble. The bubble >wall is the transition from the inside of the magnetic bubble >to the outside of the magnetic bubble in which the magnetization >switches directions. This transition, say from North being "up" >to North being "down" can have many twists. These twists are >give rise to what are called "hard bubbles" and are labeled >by "State numbers" (S). The large in magnitude S is, the more >twists there are in the magnetic bubble wall. For example, >S = 10 has more twists than, say, S = 5. > >As you may know, magnetic bubbles can move quite freely in >magnetic bubble material under the influence a a magnetic >field *gradient*. > Perhaps it is appropriate here to remember to my revised SMOT-article. at www.overunity.com/magmotor/magmotor.htm The essence of this article is that the anisotropy energies due to the field gradient from outside could be the cause of overunity action. Anisotropy energy gets higher if you have magnetic bubbles in the material. Both words could be synonyms at least ! The secret is whether and how the bubble materials can be made. Therefrom, your ideas try to do the next step. (Some reading on anisotropy energies, magnetic domain (Bloch walls) energies, micromagnetism and magnetic bubbles can be found at Landau/Lifshitz vol.8) >But what you might not know is that the larger the magnitude of the >state number S for the magnetic bubble, the larger the deflection >angle will be from the direction of the magnetic field >gradient direction. The deflection angle will be from 0 to 90 degrees! > >The state numbers are given + and - signs depending on whether >the bubble deflects to the right or the left of the magnetic >field gradient. > >Now consider a material with thousands of magnetic bubbles in it >all with the same state number (S) sign (all "+" say). All the >magnetic bubbles in the material will want to move to the right >of an applied magnetic field gradient. > >Next, you need to know 2 things about magnetic bubbles: >1) Magnetic bubbles try to repel each other. >2) Magnetic bubbles can be "pinned" in place or confined within > a region of the material by a number different methods. > >What this means is that it is possible to transfer the force >attempting to move the magnetic bubbles in the material at >an angle to the applied magnetic field gradient into a force >on the material at an angle to the magnetic field gradient. > >So consider a magnetic field gradient (a large round, cylinder magnet.) >The magnetic field gradient will be in the radial direction all >around the magnet in the plane cutting through the cylinder magnet >1/2 way up the cylinder length and parallel to the 2 circular ends. > >Now, another "normal magnet" placed in this plane >will move only radially "in" toward the cylinder magnetic or >radially "out" away from the cylinder magnetic. (This assumes >restricting this 2nd magnet so it can only move in the plane >mentioned above.) > >But if this 2nd magnet is full of magnet bubbles, with all (or most) >of the bubbles' state number the same sign (say "+") then there >will be an additional force on the material at an angle >to the magnetic field gradient direction. This force may be >small compared to the "usual" force on the magnetic material, so the >component of the total force due to the magnetic bubbles pushing >on the material (at an angle to the magnetic field gradient) >may not be noticed. But if the material containning the magnetic >bubbles is restricted so it can not move in the radial direction, >but can freely move in a circle around the magnetic field >gradient source magnet, then the material containning the >magnetic bubbles will push the material around the source magnet. > > R > ^-->/ > | / > G | / B > |/ > ------------- > | bubble | > | material | > ------------- > >G is the magnetic field gradient, B is the direction of the >force the magnetic bubbles will push the material and R is the >componet of B perpendicular to G. > >Since the material is restricted from moving in the G direction, >only the R force will be left. So the material should move to >the right (or around the magnetic field gradient source as >explainned above.) > >Now, lets look at the way magnetic bubble arrays are created >(arrays of magnetic bubbles in a material.) > >According to the literature (I'll give references below), you >apply a short magnetic pulses to the material. In some >cases, you apply a DC bias field and on top of that you apply >the pulses. There are some papers that show more than one >pulse is better (to create lots of bubbles) than just one pulse. > >There has been some research which shows that above a certain >temperature, hard bubbles (|S| >> 0), which is what we want, >will no be formed. > >Also, most research on bubble creation has been in the direction >of hard bubble suppression. I can't find a lot of references >to hard bubble creation. > >Next, there is an issue about how to insure that the state sign >of the magnetic bubbles are all (or amost all) the same. When >the pulses are applied to generate the bubbles, they magnetization >in the bubbles wall can twist around "clockwise" or >"counter-clockwise". There is no preference. > >I suggest that in addition to the magnetic field, the sample >(material to be magnetized) be >placed in an electric field during the magnetization process. >(Is this starting to sound familar or what!?) This will impose >a prefered direction for the magnetization twists during the >magnetization process. So, most of the magnetic bubbles produced >will have the same state sign. > >So, magnetization process: > >1) The material should probably be cooled. But this might not > be necessary (probably material type dependent.) > >2) The material should be placed in an electric field during > the magnetization process. The magnitude of the electric > field will need to be determined by experimentation. > >3) Apply a DC magnetic field to the sample close to the saturation > field strength. > >4) Apply many magnetic field pulses. According to the literature, > these should be "short" pulses. Approx. MegHz range. > >I am hoping to try this out on some BaFe(12)O(19) (Barium Ferrite) >magnets some day. (The magnets are on order, but I don't have the >equipment yet.) The DC field for the Barium Ferrite magnetics >will be approx 3500 Oe to 4000 Oe. Because of the rise time >requirements, I think the pulse magnetic field should be less than >200 Oe. (That's what I intend to try. Adjusting as more info >comes in, of course.) (I will try anistropic, Barium Ferrite, >made by "wet process" first because it has the lowest coercive >force (1,800 to 2,200 Oe.) > >I have no guidence for the electric field. > >Strontium Ferrite should also be tried, but it has a higher >coersive force rquirement (2,500 to 3,000 Oe.) > >Also, I can't find any references on magnetic bubbles in Strontium >Ferrite, but I have found a reference which shows that magnetic >bubbles can be formed in Barium Ferrite. > >References: > >(Everything I have written above can be found in the following > references with the exception of using the magnetic bubbles to > move the material which contians the magnetic bubbles.) > >T. H. O'Dell, Magnetic Bubbles, 1974. > Pages 1 through 9 give an introduction to magnetic > bubbles and shows the formation of bubbles by > applying a pulse magnetic field. Easy reading. > >T.H. O'Dell, Ferromagnetodynamics, 1981. > Pages 20 through 24 shows the deflection of "hard bubbles" > with respect to the magnetic field gradient direction. > >C. Kooy and U. Enz, "Experimental and Theoretical Study of the > Domain Configuration in Thin Layers of BaFe(12)O(19)", > Philips Res. Pepts, Vol. 15, pp. 7-29, 1960. > This reference shows that magnetic bubbles can exist in > Barium Ferrite material and gives some magnetic field > strength numbers. > >H. Junmin and R.M. Westervelt, "Commensurate-Incommensurate > Transitions in Magnetic Bubble Arrays With Periodic Pinning", > Physical Review B, Vol. 55, No. 2, pp. 771-774, 1997-II. > The only reason I give this reference is to show that it > is possible to pin magnetic bubbles in a material by laying > down permalloy dots and traces on the material surface. I > am not suggesting that this is the way to do it for above > application (unless all other methods fail). > >R. Seshadri and R.M. Westervelt, "Forced Shear Flow of > Magnetic Bubble Arrays", Physical Review Letters, Vol. 70, > No. 2, pp. 234-237, 1993. > I give this reference only for the following quote: > "After 60 sec, the force was turned off and the array was allowed > to relax to avoid building up a preasure gradient opposed to the > flow." This is just what we want, a pressure on the bubble > material opposed to the "flow direction" of the magnetic bubbles. > (Granted, I am *assuming* this pressure is a result of the > bubbles piling up at the material edge and the material > pushing back on the bubbles. It doesn't explicitely state this.) > >Does anyone see a problem with the physics here? Comments welcomed. One point should made clear ! As far as I understand your message this is proposal of yours. Until now you had no experimental success which I wish you ! Best regards Dieter Bauer From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 14 13:46:13 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA09842; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 13:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 13:46:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 13:38:45 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Outlet for Cool Electronics Ideas (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"yrJs13.0.gP2.6Q3Xr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4841 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Anyone have any good projects that this guy could spread around? (Buyer beware, I don't know him, I just received this email out of the blue.) ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 13:20:23 -0500 From: Mark Strong To: billb@eskimo.com Subject: Outlet for Cool Electronics Ideas I currently make and sell electronics stuff for pro audio guys. I am interested in making and selling cool electronics stuff for audio and non-audio applications. Either finished goods or kits. I have great interest in the off-beat & fringe stuff "weird science". Once you "weird science" types have come up with something and wish someone would either make it or make boards, parts, coils etc., available.... I'm your man. I even have an engineer in Seattle available to assist with whatever needs proliferating. And if by any wild chance you come up with any potentially profitable devices.... Well I'm so weird that I'll manufacture almost anything even if it only has a slim chance of breaking even. I'm the implementer, manufacturer and proliferator of weird shit, at your service. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 14 22:04:44 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA06439; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 22:04:38 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 22:04:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 20:56:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806150356.UAA12461@italy.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: My Newman's motor "Blueprint" is on the Web.... Resent-Message-ID: <"i5kK22.0.Ra1.YjAXr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4842 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Jean-Louis and all, Thanks for providing us this information! Can you please give some more details on your commutator, timing, etc? In your power supply, you might change the 1N4004's to one with higher voltage, such as 1N4007. They see a reverse voltage of 2x315 volts. Although many 1N4004's can withstand this voltage, their reverse voltage rating is 400V. At 06:16 AM 6/14/98 EDT, you wrote: >You will find all these informations and some detailled pictures at : > >http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlnaudin/html/qmmv11.htm > >I hope that this will interest you, -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 15 01:01:39 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA01446; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 01:01:31 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 01:01:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3584D2AF.4D9B3D72@harti.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:52:16 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, Jean Louis Naudin Subject: Re: My Newman's motor "Blueprint" is on the Web.... References: <199806150356.UAA12461@italy.it.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nJmMK2.0.VM.PJDXr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4843 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com dave dameron wrote: > Hi Jean-Louis and all, > Thanks for providing us this information! > Can you please give some more details on your commutator, timing, etc? > > In your power supply, you might change the 1N4004's to one with higher > voltage, such as 1N4007. They see a reverse voltage of 2x315 volts. Although > many 1N4004's can withstand this voltage, their reverse voltage rating is 400V. > At 06:16 AM 6/14/98 EDT, you wrote: > > >You will find all these informations and some detailled pictures at : > > > >http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlnaudin/html/qmmv11.htm > > > >I hope that this will interest you, > > -Dave Yes, you have to be very carefully ! As the EMF can generate huge back pulse voltages, these can also destroy your diodes very easily ! Better take several 1N4007 in series replaced for ONE diode to protect your AC to DC converter ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 15 03:31:11 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA16386; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 03:31:07 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 03:31:07 -0700 (PDT) From: JNaudin509@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 06:28:18 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, ddameron@earthlink.net Cc: harti@harti.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re : Re: My Newman's motor "Blueprint" is on the Web.... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 116 Resent-Message-ID: <"Z0jh43.0.w_3.fVFXr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4844 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On 15/06/1998 10:00:34 , harti@harti.com a wrote : << Yes, you have to be very carefully ! As the EMF can generate huge back pulse voltages, these can also destroy your diodes very easily ! Better take several 1N4007 in series replaced for ONE diode to protect your AC to DC converter ! Regards, Stefan. >> Thanks Stefan and Dave, I have updated my electronic diagram with your advices about the HV power supply for the Newman's motor at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlnaudin/html/qmmv11.htm Sincerely, Jean-Louis From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 15 06:08:43 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA04777; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 06:08:40 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 06:08:40 -0700 (PDT) From: JNaudin509@aol.com Message-ID: <5d2c11be.35851c32@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:05:53 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, ddameron@earthlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re : Re: My Newman's motor "Blueprint" is on the Web.... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 116 Resent-Message-ID: <"FEgME3.0.XA1.MpHXr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4845 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On 15/06/1998 13:36:19 , ddameron@earthlink.net wrote : << Hi Jean-Louis and all, Thanks for providing us this information! Can you please give some more details on your commutator, timing, etc? >> Hi Dave and All, You will find all informations about the current working setup on the scope picture in my web site. I give you some detailled timing about the current "firing" sequence : Rotor speed : about 231 RPM One turn in 260 milliseconds pulses duration 30 milliseconds TWO pulses sent by turn (in opposite direction): One pulse each 180 degrees, when the axis of the magnets are at 90 degrees from the coil axis. Working cycle = 26% by turn Pulse voltages, tested at 215V and at 275V I hope that I have answered to you question.... Sincerely, Jean-Louis Naudin From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 15 09:03:45 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA24188; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:03:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:03:38 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:47:07 -0400 Subject: Re: Weird Medicine Message-ID: <19980615.115056.4558.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-7,10-11,15-19,21-24,27-28,31-33 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"-phK32.0.rv5.QNKXr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4846 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sat, 13 Jun 1998 22:46:07 -0700 (PDT) William Beaty writes: >Another site I just found is www.bioelectrifier.com, associated with >the article in the May 1997 issue of "73" magazine (someone at the >previous "weird science" meeting passed this one along to me.) That should be it. Thomas Miller wrote his origional article in the May 96 issue of 73 Magazine, with an updated circuit published in the Oct 96 issue on page 60. I think that is the same circuit now on his site. BTW, the Apr 97 issue had an article on building a Colloidal Silver Generator, and The June 96 issue of Popular Electronics had an article on Building a Bio-Stimulator, which is used for electro-acupuncture (article complete with body diagrams). > >Actual experimentation with these devices is on-topic for this list. >However, since mental healing ("placebo effect") is hard to >distinguish from effects caused by the devices, it would be more appropriate to >discuss experiments on test subjects (those on a microscope slide, for >example.) > Tried earlier this year to use my bioelectrofier as a plant growth stimulator....we did it as a science fail project for my daughter. Our "treated" seeds germinated roughly 66% less than the control sample. And the Scientific American site said micro-electrical currents would have no effect on plant growth! Wasn't the result that I expected, but it does show an effect. Steve Heckman _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 15 09:10:36 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA10884; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:10:23 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:10:23 -0700 (PDT) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:50:22 -0400 Subject: SMOT parts Message-ID: <19980615.115056.4558.1.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-4,6-8 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"jpaFc1.0.vf2.gTKXr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4847 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Greg, I would like to build a Mark5 SMOT, but I can't find the aluminum channel you use and the substitutes available to me are lame. If I sent you a few bucks, could you send me a piece of channel to make 2 or 3 prototypes? Steve Heckman _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 15 11:52:04 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA20220; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:51:53 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:51:53 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:51:42 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: new group Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"tmFWd3.0.mx4.8rMXr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4848 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I received the following note, and thought I'd post it here for those who might be interested. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L --- url --- http://members.xoom.com/TheWeird --- comments --- TheWeird Mailing list, Its Free and i need more users, Do you think you could put on your mailing list page. (It actually is a discussion group.) Welcome To TheWeird, The E-mail Based Discussion Group dealing with the paranormal, metaphysical, Near Death/Out of Body Experiences, Aliens and much more! Anything weird goes! Sounds interesting??? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 15 13:41:11 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA11550; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:41:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:41:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:23:33 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: good article on hall-effect sensors Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"vskdh3.0.Mq2.XROXr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4849 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com EDN magazine puts lots of good electronics articles online. Try this one: http://www.ednmag.com/reg/1998/040998/08toc.cfm Hall-effect sensor ICs sport magnetic personalities. Innovative stabilization and trim techniques are yielding dramatic improvements in Hall-effect sensor ICs. --Bill Travis, Senior Technical Editor http://www.ednmag.com/reg/1998/040998/08df_01.cfm ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 15 14:38:32 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA21374; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:38:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:38:12 -0700 Message-ID: <00f601bd98a5$1e341f00$7be3afce@et-s> From: "Eric Tonkins" To: Subject: Re: Weird Medicine Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:49:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"tw3Fe.0.tD5.3HPXr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4850 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Stephen and Bill, I've been following this Weird Medicine thread and chasing down the links as well. Thanks for all the great leads. I'm curious though, is "73" Magazine the one associated with Wayne Greene? I had thought it was "78" Magazine. Regardless, if it's one in the same, have either of you heard of the "Cold Water Heater" Wayne spoke of when on Art Bell's Radio Show? I've tried every method short of writing to Wayne (and he'll charge) to get ahold of a schematic. My impression was that he ran current through a nickel, placed the nickel in water, and generated more heat output than input. Got any good leads? Till Later, Eric Favorite Quote: " Wonderful times only happen to you if you show up. Unless you show up, you'll never have one ! " Eric Tonkins EMail: vegan@sprynet.com Internet: http://my.name.is/free$100drawing4you Voice / Fax: (702) 358-7681 Home Office: 634 Oakwood Dr. # 3, Sparks, NV 89431 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 15 15:12:50 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA08780; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:12:33 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:12:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19980615220944.17953.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [208.8.144.144] From: "Barbara Myers" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Severed phone lines Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:09:43 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"MgAqw1.0.092.AnPXr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4851 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Walt wrote: Please hold all e-mail until further notice. Phone lines were severed two weeks ago. Should be up soon. Thanks >From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 3 20:23:32 1998 >Received: (from smartlst@localhost) > by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA01312; > Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:21:20 -0700 >Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:21:20 -0700 >From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com >To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >Subject: Request for info >Message-ID: <19980603.172654.8247.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> >References: >X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 >X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3,6-7,10-11,13-14,16-17,20-22,24-28 >Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 18:24:46 EDT >Resent-Message-ID: <"x6lRo2.0.LJ.aAXTr"@mx1> >Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4783 >X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >Precedence: list >Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > >I sent a simular message yesterday, but I did not see it "reflected >back", it appears that only my first message makes it when I send several >at a time. > >I am currently researching Bearden's scalar theories, especially about >the claim that the modern version of the Maxwell's equations drops the >scalar terms. > >I have collected Whittacker's papers, have Maxwell's books and looked at >Doug Sweetsers site. If any one have any additional references I would >like to know of them.... > >Specifically, I would like a copy of the two following articles (I will >pay for the copies and send SASE)... > >Jack Dea, "Fundamental Fields and Phase Information" July 1985 USPA >Conference, Dayton Ohio. > >T.E. Bearden, "Maxwell's Origional Quaternion Theory was an Unified Field >Theory of Electromagnetics and Gravitation", Procedings Int'l Tesla >Society Symp. 1988 > > >Also any info on the scalar detectors designed by Schnurer, Sweet, Kelly >and/or Golden would be appreciated. > >Thanks > >Steve Heckman > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 15 18:23:17 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA19832; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:23:10 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:23:10 -0700 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Weird Medicine Message-ID: <19980615.173220.7687.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <00f601bd98a5$1e341f00$7be3afce@et-s> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-3,5-6,10-11,13-14,16-18 Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:30:10 EDT Resent-Message-ID: <"hQWTe.0.ir4.-ZSXr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4852 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:49:23 -0700 "Eric Tonkins" writes: >Stephen and Bill, > I'm curious though, is "73" Magazine the one associated with Wayne Greene? Yes, and the magazine is pretty mainstream (Ham Radio). He is open enough to allow an occasional electronics-related "weird science" article, including discussions in columns by other writers. He really gets off in his editorials, though. Which is what I like about 73 magazine. > have either of you heard of the "Cold Water Heater" Wayne spoke of when on Art >Bell's Radio Show? I have not..when was he on? Could then check out his editorials of that era and see what would be in print. Steve Heckman _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 16 00:24:03 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA24081; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 00:23:59 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 00:23:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01BD9908.28B74750.pascalc@worldnet.fr> From: Pascal Reply-To: "pascalc@worldnet.fr" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: Re : Weird Medicine Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:01:16 +0200 X-Mailer: Messagerie Internet de Microsoft/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx2.eskimo.com id AAA24062 Resent-Message-ID: <"Iqvax1.0.Au5.DsXXr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4853 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com bonjour, suite a toute cette discussion, j'aimerais savoir s'il est possible de se procurer des Zappers en France ou via le Net. Merci Pascal Cavy > -----Message d'origine----- > De: Jean-Pierre Lentin [SMTP:lentin@imaginet.fr] > Date: mercredi 10 juin 1998 09:36 > À: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Objet: Re : Weird Medicine > > Hi Bill & all ! > > Bill, you opened a mighty can of worms ! Electronic medicine is a booming > field in alternative science, just like free energy. There are hundreds of > devices ! Several mailing lists are discussing them, and I'm on them all... > So, speaking with confidence, I can tell you the answer to your original > post. The German machine described on PHYS-L is almost certainly a MORA > device (or one of the German imitators, like Vega-Test). > > MORA's website : > > http://www.med-tronik.de/home_eng.htm > > Check also this Canadian site that imports MORA & Vega systems (and is > actually more informative than the German MORA site) : > > http://www.oirf.com/index.html > > Hope this helps. Regards to all. BTW, isn't it slightly off-topic ? Oh, well... > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Jean-Pierre Lentin > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 16 01:11:01 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA02511; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 01:10:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 01:10:54 -0700 Message-ID: <01BD990C.31B38DB0.pascalc@worldnet.fr> From: Pascal Reply-To: "pascalc@worldnet.fr" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: general post error Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:47:59 +0200 X-Mailer: Messagerie Internet de Microsoft/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id BAA02489 Resent-Message-ID: <"nj3pa.0.3d.EYYXr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4854 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com sorry for the preceeding post , they were intended to Jean-Pierre Lentin... Pascal -----Message d'origine----- De: Pascal [SMTP:pascalc@worldnet.fr] Date: dimanche 14 juin 1998 15:16 À: 'freenrg-l@eskimo.com' Objet: RE: Re : Weird Medicine bonjour, suite a toute cette discussion, j'aimerais savoir s'il est possible de se procurer des Zappers en France ou via le Net. Merci Pascal Cavy > -----Message d'origine----- > De: Jean-Pierre Lentin [SMTP:lentin@imaginet.fr] > Date: mercredi 10 juin 1998 09:36 > À: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Objet: Re : Weird Medicine > > Hi Bill & all ! > > Bill, you opened a mighty can of worms ! Electronic medicine is a booming > field in alternative science, just like free energy. There are hundreds of > devices ! Several mailing lists are discussing them, and I'm on them all... > So, speaking with confidence, I can tell you the answer to your original > post. The German machine described on PHYS-L is almost certainly a MORA > device (or one of the German imitators, like Vega-Test). > > MORA's website : > > http://www.med-tronik.de/home_eng.htm > > Check also this Canadian site that imports MORA & Vega systems (and is > actually more informative than the German MORA site) : > > http://www.oirf.com/index.html > > Hope this helps. Regards to all. BTW, isn't it slightly off-topic ? Oh, well... > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Jean-Pierre Lentin > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 16 06:19:52 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA17953; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 06:19:45 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 06:19:45 -0700 Message-ID: <19980616131406.10309.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 06:14:06 -0700 (PDT) From: mr mojo Subject: Re: SMOT parts To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"Yvue73.0.OO4.n3dXr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4855 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Try Home Depot, if you have one close by. ---Stephen L Heckman wrote: > > Greg, > > I would like to build a Mark5 SMOT, but I can't find the aluminum channel > you use and the substitutes available to me are lame. > > If I sent you a few bucks, could you send me a piece of channel to make 2 > or 3 prototypes? > > Steve Heckman > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 16 06:40:49 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA18711; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 06:40:39 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 06:40:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35867512.DBB5313@ctv.es> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:37:22 +0200 From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga Reply-To: vramos@ctv.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Page Updated X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"U9bJK2.0.Fa4.KNdXr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4856 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi, all, My page is updated with an interesting experiment for this summer. Vicente. -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 16 06:42:35 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA19220; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 06:42:31 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 06:42:31 -0700 Message-ID: <358675CC.232C16DB@harti.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:40:28 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-list , gwatson@microtronics.com.au Subject: What happened with Greg Watson ? References: <19980616131406.10309.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GpRsB1.0.Di4.6PdXr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4857 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Has anybody received any SMOT MK5 ramp or any SMOT kits at all from Greg Watson ? He wanted at least to ship it out by beginning of June to Jean Louis Naudin and a few others , but there it also did not arrive... Hmm, I wonder if he is going to sell now "long-life"- wonder pills instead of SMOT kits ???? Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 16 11:16:50 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA17616; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:16:37 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:16:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <358675CC.232C16DB@harti.com> References: <19980616131406.10309.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:03:09 -1000 To: freenrg list From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: What happened with Greg Watson ? Resent-Message-ID: <"vsiOc3.0.yI4.2QhXr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4858 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Stephan - > Hmm, I wonder if he is going to sell now > "long-life"- wonder pills instead of SMOT kits > ???? One doesn't need pattern-recognition software running on a supercomputer to get the picture here, does one? - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 16 14:01:13 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA20802; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:01:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:01:02 -0700 Message-ID: <3586D48F.B1168B95@harti.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:24:48 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JNaudin509@aol.com CC: Stefan Hartmann , ddameron@earthlink.net, mrand910@yahoo.com, freenrg-l , newman-list Subject: Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Newman Commutator setup... References: <183f491f.3586894d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"L2TMt1.0.x45.EqjXr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4859 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > You will find in the attached document, a very helpfull scope picture which > shows the voltage induced in the Newman's coil Vs the angle of the magnet. > This is a free run of the motor without the firing pulses. > > I hope that this will be a very helpfull doc for our understanding of the > principle. > > Ps: I have also updated my web site with this picture, so you can use it as > reference for the discussion-list about the tuning... > Hi JL and all, if you look again onto this new free run picture, you can see, that the amplitude in free run induction voltage is 600 Volts ! Thus, if you reverse the input current at the position 2 and 4 you apply 600 Volts back to the 315 Volts suply, so you have 285 Volts more than the supply voltage and thus you have a huge NEGATIVE current BACK to the capacitors in this moment, which could last for a few milliseconds and thus be greater than the few milliamps being drawn during the input feeding phase. Thus you can have a total more output power than input power during one cycle. Thus the Newman motor/generator can go OU ! But you have to do your commutator right to recharge at these positions 2 and 4 your capacitors ! I hope you understand now the basic principle, how the Newman machine can generate huge back pulse DC current pulses, due to the high self-induction voltage at position 2 and 4 and reversing the input current at these positions. Regards, Stefan. > Sincerely, > > Jean-Louis > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > [Image] -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 16 14:41:43 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA03528; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:41:19 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:41:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586E547.F83197C6@harti.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:36:07 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stefan Hartmann CC: JNaudin509@aol.com, ddameron@earthlink.net, mrand910@yahoo.com, freenrg-l , newman-list , ralp.hartwell@emachine.com, gwatson@microtronics.com.au, "W.D. Bauer" Subject: Newman OU conditions finally understood ! References: <183f491f.3586894d@aol.com> <3586D48F.B1168B95@harti.com> <3586DA9B.EAE56C21@harti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tLvvI3.0.ys.yPkXr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4860 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Now the conditions for an OU operation of a Newman machine are very clear to me: The windings number of the coil must be very high with BIG diameter wire to get many windings at a low DC resistance (thus a big coil with much weight) Also a big magnet helps to get a huge dphi/dt and thus a high induction voltage inside the coil, when the magnet rotates. The maximum inductance voltage of the Newman coil , when the magnet rotor rotates, must be higher than the feeding input voltage ! Very important ! The commutator reversal timing must be timed this way, that it pulses the high self induction voltage back to the input and thus creating a huge back current in the right moment, when the "free run" voltage is higher than the feeding input voltage. This negative power going back to the feeding battery can then be higher than the input power, thus OU operation ! Very easy, once one has understood this basic principle....finally after all these years now... It is pretty easy, isn´t it ? Do you all agree ? Regards, Stefan. Stefan Hartmann wrote: > Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > > > You will find in the attached document, a very helpfull scope picture which > > > shows the voltage induced in the Newman's coil Vs the angle of the magnet. > > > This is a free run of the motor without the firing pulses. > > > > > > I hope that this will be a very helpfull doc for our understanding of the > > > principle. > > > > > > Ps: I have also updated my web site with this picture, so you can use it as > > > reference for the discussion-list about the tuning... > > > > > > > Hi JL and all, > > > > if you look again onto this new free run picture, > > you can see, that the amplitude in free run induction voltage is > > 600 Volts ! > > > > Thus, if you reverse the input current at the position 2 and 4 > > you apply 600 Volts back to the 315 Volts suply, so you have 285 Volts > > more than the supply voltage and thus you have a huge NEGATIVE current BACK to > > the > > capacitors in this moment, which could last for a few milliseconds and > > thus be greater than the few milliamps being drawn during the input feeding > > phase. > > Let me make an example: > > >From your scope pics you have about the highest input current about 7.5 mA. > When you reverse the current at position 2 and 4 you can have a negative back > current maximum > of 285 Volts / 17.332 ohms(your coil DC resistance)= 16.4 mA > > Thus you see this back current pulse can be higher than the input current pulse. > Also you see: The lower your DC resistance is, the huger is your back current pulse > in this moment, > the more back-power output you get _at the same number of coil windings_ !!! > > Thus: The bigger diameter you use for the copper wire, the better your output power > thus using more copper (bigger diameter and thus more pounds) > as Newman says gives less DC resistance and results in more output back-power. > > Now the principle of operation is very clear to me. > > Do you agree all ? > > Regards, Stefan. > > > > > > > Thus you can have a total more output power than input power during one cycle. > > Thus the Newman motor/generator can go OU ! > > But you have to do your commutator right to recharge at these positions 2 and 4 > > your > > capacitors ! > > > > I hope you understand now the basic principle, how the Newman machine > > can generate huge back pulse DC current pulses, due to the high self-induction > > voltage at position 2 and 4 and reversing the input current at these positions. > > > > Regards, Stefan. > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Jean-Louis > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > [Image] > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 16 14:42:15 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA03762; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Old-X-Envelope-To: Message-ID: <3586E2D1.B3E31C8C@ctv.es> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:25:38 +0200 From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga Reply-To: vramos@ctv.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Page updated X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"W0rPr3.0.Yw.dQkXr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4861 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi all, Sorry, for more info I added more descriptions about the Cloudbuster. Vicente -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 16 15:09:33 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA03294; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:09:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:09:28 -0700 Message-ID: <3586EC1F.1BBDFA9F@harti.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:05:19 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Newman-L Mailing List CC: JNaudin509@aol.com, ddameron@earthlink.net, mrand910@yahoo.com, freenrg-l , ralp.hartwell@emachine.com, gwatson@microtronics.com.au, "W.D. Bauer" Subject: Re: Newman OU conditions finally understood ! References: <183f491f.3586894d@aol.com> <3586D48F.B1168B95@harti.com> <3586DA9B.EAE56C21@harti.com> <3586E547.F83197C6@harti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"06LwQ1.0.Ip.OqkXr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4862 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com You see, you need a critical mass of the coil to get OverUnity operation ! Like in an atomic power bomb you need to have the right amount of copper mass of the coil to get OU out of a Newman motor ! Small coil size Newman motors will not work in OU mode ! Stefan Hartmann wrote: > Now the conditions for an OU operation of a Newman machine are very clear to me: > > The windings number of the coil must be very high with BIG diameter wire > to get many windings at a low DC resistance (thus a big coil with much weight) > > Also a big magnet helps to get a huge dphi/dt and thus a high induction voltage > inside the coil, when the magnet rotates. > > The maximum inductance voltage of the Newman coil , when the magnet rotor rotates, > must be higher than the feeding input voltage ! Very important ! > > The commutator reversal timing must be timed this way, that it pulses the high self > induction voltage > back to the input and thus creating a huge back current in the right moment, when the > "free run" > voltage is higher than the feeding input voltage. This negative power going back to the > feeding battery > can then be higher than the input power, thus OU operation ! > > Very easy, once one has understood this basic principle....finally after all these > years now... > It is pretty easy, isn´t it ? > > Do you all agree ? > > Regards, Stefan. > > Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > > Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > > > > > You will find in the attached document, a very helpfull scope picture which > > > > shows the voltage induced in the Newman's coil Vs the angle of the magnet. > > > > This is a free run of the motor without the firing pulses. > > > > > > > > I hope that this will be a very helpfull doc for our understanding of the > > > > principle. > > > > > > > > Ps: I have also updated my web site with this picture, so you can use it as > > > > reference for the discussion-list about the tuning... > > > > > > > > > > Hi JL and all, > > > > > > if you look again onto this new free run picture, > > > you can see, that the amplitude in free run induction voltage is > > > 600 Volts ! > > > > > > Thus, if you reverse the input current at the position 2 and 4 > > > you apply 600 Volts back to the 315 Volts suply, so you have 285 Volts > > > more than the supply voltage and thus you have a huge NEGATIVE current BACK to > > > the > > > capacitors in this moment, which could last for a few milliseconds and > > > thus be greater than the few milliamps being drawn during the input feeding > > > phase. > > > > Let me make an example: > > > > >From your scope pics you have about the highest input current about 7.5 mA. > > When you reverse the current at position 2 and 4 you can have a negative back > > current maximum > > of 285 Volts / 17.332 ohms(your coil DC resistance)= 16.4 mA > > > > Thus you see this back current pulse can be higher than the input current pulse. > > Also you see: The lower your DC resistance is, the huger is your back current pulse > > in this moment, > > the more back-power output you get _at the same number of coil windings_ !!! > > > > Thus: The bigger diameter you use for the copper wire, the better your output power > > thus using more copper (bigger diameter and thus more pounds) > > as Newman says gives less DC resistance and results in more output back-power. > > > > Now the principle of operation is very clear to me. > > > > Do you agree all ? > > > > Regards, Stefan. > > > > > > > > > > > Thus you can have a total more output power than input power during one cycle. > > > Thus the Newman motor/generator can go OU ! > > > But you have to do your commutator right to recharge at these positions 2 and 4 > > > your > > > capacitors ! > > > > > > I hope you understand now the basic principle, how the Newman machine > > > can generate huge back pulse DC current pulses, due to the high self-induction > > > voltage at position 2 and 4 and reversing the input current at these positions. > > > > > > Regards, Stefan. > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > Jean-Louis > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > [Image] > > > > -- > Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann > Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 > email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com > Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 16 15:16:28 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA11565; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:16:15 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:16:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586DA9B.EAE56C21@harti.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:50:35 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stefan Hartmann CC: JNaudin509@aol.com, ddameron@earthlink.net, mrand910@yahoo.com, freenrg-l , newman-list , ralp.hartwell@emachine.com, gwatson@microtronics.com.au Subject: Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Newman Commutator setup... References: <183f491f.3586894d@aol.com> <3586D48F.B1168B95@harti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0oSqh.0.Xq2.dwkXr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4863 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > You will find in the attached document, a very helpfull scope picture which > > shows the voltage induced in the Newman's coil Vs the angle of the magnet. > > This is a free run of the motor without the firing pulses. > > > > I hope that this will be a very helpfull doc for our understanding of the > > principle. > > > > Ps: I have also updated my web site with this picture, so you can use it as > > reference for the discussion-list about the tuning... > > > > Hi JL and all, > > if you look again onto this new free run picture, > you can see, that the amplitude in free run induction voltage is > 600 Volts ! > > Thus, if you reverse the input current at the position 2 and 4 > you apply 600 Volts back to the 315 Volts suply, so you have 285 Volts > more than the supply voltage and thus you have a huge NEGATIVE current BACK to > the > capacitors in this moment, which could last for a few milliseconds and > thus be greater than the few milliamps being drawn during the input feeding > phase. Let me make an example: >From your scope pics you have about the highest input current about 7.5 mA. When you reverse the current at position 2 and 4 you can have a negative back current maximum of 285 Volts / 17.332 ohms(your coil DC resistance)= 16.4 mA Thus you see this back current pulse can be higher than the input current pulse. Also you see: The lower your DC resistance is, the huger is your back current pulse in this moment, the more back-power output you get _at the same number of coil windings_ !!! Thus: The bigger diameter you use for the copper wire, the better your output power thus using more copper (bigger diameter and thus more pounds) as Newman says gives less DC resistance and results in more output back-power. Now the principle of operation is very clear to me. Do you agree all ? Regards, Stefan. > > > Thus you can have a total more output power than input power during one cycle. > Thus the Newman motor/generator can go OU ! > But you have to do your commutator right to recharge at these positions 2 and 4 > your > capacitors ! > > I hope you understand now the basic principle, how the Newman machine > can generate huge back pulse DC current pulses, due to the high self-induction > voltage at position 2 and 4 and reversing the input current at these positions. > > Regards, Stefan. > > > Sincerely, > > > > Jean-Louis > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > [Image] > > -- > Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann > Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 > email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com > Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 16 15:25:09 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA07516; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:25:01 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:25:01 -0700 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:23:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Zack Widup Subject: Re: Page updated To: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <3586E2D1.B3E31C8C@ctv.es> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"IG5xY2.0.Gr1.y2lXr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4864 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga wrote: > Hi all, > Sorry, for more info I added more descriptions about the Cloudbuster. > Vicente > I'll have to check that out! I have found very little about the Cloudbuster except for a book in the library called Selected Writings of Wilhelm Reich. It had a short description and a couple diagrams. Do they really work? (I know ... TRY IT ...) Zack From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 16 15:58:41 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA20457; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:58:22 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:58:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586F5EC.5C087963@harti.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:47:08 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JNaudin509@aol.com CC: Stefan Hartmann , ddameron@earthlink.net, mrand910@yahoo.com, newman-list , freenrg-l Subject: Newman Commutator modifying ? References: <183f491f.3586894d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GSi-53.0.X_4.BYlXr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4865 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi JL, can you please modify your commutator this way, that the coil is switched to a resistor load during period 3-5 and the rotor is only accelerator during period 1 to 2 in your: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlnaudin/images/Q11induc.gif picture ? This way you can see, how much power is generated inside the coil DC resistance and external resistance during period 3 to 5 versus input power period 1 to 2. Regards, Stefan. JNaudin509@aol.com wrote: > On 16/06/1998 16:31:37 , harti@harti.com wrote : > > << > do you have a Neon bulb across your coil ??? > If not, be careful about the internal sparking possibilities inside the coil, > that can damage your coil and can short it out internally ! > > >> > > Yes I have connect a small NeonBulb in some case, but not in the most case as > you can see in the scope picture in my web site. > Thanks for your advice !! > > You will find in the attached document, a very helpfull scope picture which > shows the voltage induced in the Newman's coil Vs the angle of the magnet. > This is a free run of the motor without the firing pulses. > > I hope that this will be a very helpfull doc for our understanding of the > principle. > > Ps: I have also updated my web site with this picture, so you can use it as > reference for the discussion-list about the tuning... > > Sincerely, > > Jean-Louis > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > [Image] -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 16 16:44:21 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA01221; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <358701A9.276E0E9C@harti.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 01:37:13 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stefan Hartmann CC: JNaudin509@aol.com, ddameron@earthlink.net, mrand910@yahoo.com, newman-list , freenrg-l , "W.D. Bauer" Subject: Re: Newman Commutator modification ? critical value of L/R ? References: <183f491f.3586894d@aol.com> <3586F5EC.5C087963@harti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kXQPL.0.-I.7BmXr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4866 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi, there must be a threshold level of the coil parameter L / R to get a Newman coil into OU operation. This can only be achived by using more copper mass. Can anybody calculate this critical value of L/R ? Regards, Stefan. Stefan Hartmann wrote: > Hi JL, > > can you please modify your commutator > this way, that the coil is switched to a resistor load > during period 3-5 and the rotor is only accelerator during period 1 to 2 > in your: > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlnaudin/images/Q11induc.gif > > picture ? > > This way you can see, how much power is generated inside the coil > DC resistance and external resistance during period 3 to 5 > versus input power period 1 to 2. > > Regards, Stefan. > > JNaudin509@aol.com wrote: > > > On 16/06/1998 16:31:37 , harti@harti.com wrote : > > > > << > > do you have a Neon bulb across your coil ??? > > If not, be careful about the internal sparking possibilities inside the coil, > > that can damage your coil and can short it out internally ! > > > > >> > > > > Yes I have connect a small NeonBulb in some case, but not in the most case as > > you can see in the scope picture in my web site. > > Thanks for your advice !! > > > > You will find in the attached document, a very helpfull scope picture which > > shows the voltage induced in the Newman's coil Vs the angle of the magnet. > > This is a free run of the motor without the firing pulses. > > > > I hope that this will be a very helpfull doc for our understanding of the > > principle. > > > > Ps: I have also updated my web site with this picture, so you can use it as > > reference for the discussion-list about the tuning... > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Jean-Louis > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > [Image] > > -- > Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann > Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 > email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com > Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 16 17:02:37 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA03073; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:58:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:58:28 -0700 Message-ID: <3587061D.59A26593@harti.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 01:56:13 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stefan Hartmann CC: JNaudin509@aol.com, ddameron@earthlink.net, mrand910@yahoo.com, newman-list , freenrg-l , "W.D. Bauer" Subject: Re: Newman OU proof... References: <183f491f.3586894d@aol.com> <3586F5EC.5C087963@harti.com> <358701A9.276E0E9C@harti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"laQn83.0.nl.ZQmXr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4867 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > Hi JL and all, if you reverse your input current at position 2 and 4 in your picture: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlnaudin/images/Q11induc.gifyou can get these huge back current pulses like in: http://www.overunity.de/newov2.gif proof of Newman OU operation. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 16 17:06:24 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA03984; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:01:27 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:01:27 -0700 Message-ID: <358706C9.261AC50@harti.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 01:59:05 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stefan Hartmann CC: JNaudin509@aol.com, ddameron@earthlink.net, mrand910@yahoo.com, newman-list , freenrg-l , "W.D. Bauer" Subject: Re: Newman OU proof... References: <183f491f.3586894d@aol.com> <3586F5EC.5C087963@harti.com> <358701A9.276E0E9C@harti.com> <3587061D.59A26593@harti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"V-3C.0.1-.MTmXr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4868 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sorry, I am posting this again, cause the first link did not work... Hi JL and all, if you reverse your input current at position 2 and 4 in your picture: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlnaudin/images/Q11induc.gif you can get these huge back current pulses like in: http://www.overunity.de/newov2.gif proof of Newman OU operation. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 16 21:29:15 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA15034; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 21:24:41 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 21:24:41 -0700 Message-ID: <35884F7F.3B781CDC@ihug.co.nz> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:21:36 -0700 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, tjb@hemp.co.nz Subject: Re: Cloud Busting/Page updated References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ri5hO3.0.qg3.8KqXr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4869 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com They do work and have become perfected, Loom of the Future is a book all about cloudbusting, The Interviewer in the book and then Borderland Sciences Research Foundation director: Thomas J. Brown, If you want to make a cloudbuster you should contact him, As he has experience with cloud busters and should help you make a good cloudbuster and most importantly how to use it safely. Email tjb@hemp.co.nz (I think he may be on a trip to the US so I don't know if he can answer right away) Thomas: hope you don't mind, just I thought that a cloud buster used without enough knowledge of how to do so safely is a dangerous thing. John Berry Zack Widup wrote: > On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga wrote: > > > Hi all, > > Sorry, for more info I added more descriptions about the Cloudbuster. > > Vicente > > > > I'll have to check that out! > > I have found very little about the Cloudbuster except for a book in the > library called Selected Writings of Wilhelm Reich. It had a short > description and a couple diagrams. > > Do they really work? > > (I know ... TRY IT ...) > > Zack From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 17 09:29:31 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA02325; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:23:23 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:23:23 -0700 From: BrianABQ@aol.com Message-ID: <11d01c3a.3587eaa4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:11:15 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Cloud Busting/Page updated Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 62 Resent-Message-ID: <"Hosb63.0.Fa.wr-Xr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4870 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com What is a cloudbuster? Sorry, I'm new here. Thanks, Brian From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 17 12:31:10 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA19737; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:23:43 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:23:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: bailey@shell14.ba.best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:28:33 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com (Freengr List) From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: INE and Antigravity News Websites Have Just Been Updated Resent-Message-ID: <"-KoO_2.0.8q4.tU1Yr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4871 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com These websites have just been updated! The Institute for New Energy: http://www.padrak.com/ine/ ----------------------------- The Antigravity News: http://www.padrak.com/agn/ --------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 17 13:40:56 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA06053; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35882819.33DE9013@ctv.es> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:33:30 +0200 From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga Reply-To: vramos@ctv.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Cloud Busting/Page updated X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <11d01c3a.3587eaa4@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CkMyN2.0.JU1.WZ2Yr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4872 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com BrianABQ@aol.com wrote: > What is a cloudbuster? Sorry, I'm new here. > > Thanks, > Brian Hi, Brian The Cloudbuster is an old device capable to make rain. Vicente. -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 17 13:56:32 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA09175; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:50:37 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:50:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35882A17.A856CFD6@ctv.es> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:42:00 +0200 From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga Reply-To: vramos@ctv.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Cloud Busting/Page updated X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <35884F7F.3B781CDC@ihug.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gMAeS.0.DF2.Om2Yr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4873 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com John Berry wrote: > They do work and have become perfected, Loom of the Future is a book > all > about cloudbusting, The Interviewer in the book and then Borderland > Sciences Research Foundation director: Thomas J. Brown, If you want to > make > a cloudbuster you should contact him, As he has experience with cloud > busters and should help you make a good cloudbuster and most > importantly > how to use it safely. > Email tjb@hemp.co.nz (I think he may be on a trip to the US so I > don't > know if he can answer right away) > > Thomas: hope you don't mind, just I thought that a cloud buster used > without enough knowledge of how to do so safely is a dangerous thing. > > John Berry > > Zack Widup wrote: > > > On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > Sorry, for more info I added more descriptions about the > Cloudbuster. > > > Vicente > > > > > > > I'll have to check that out! > > > > I have found very little about the Cloudbuster except for a book in > the > > library called Selected Writings of Wilhelm Reich. It had a short > > description and a couple diagrams. > > > > Do they really work? > > > > (I know ... TRY IT ...) > > > > Zack JohnThanks for your support. I don't know if this thing works, but I want test it next weeks. Vicente. -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 17 14:02:16 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA11507; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:00:00 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:00:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35882C4F.1033A077@ctv.es> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:51:27 +0200 From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga Reply-To: vramos@ctv.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" , "JNaudin509@aol.com" Subject: PRELIMINARY TEST. RUN1. - NEWMAN ENERGY MACHINE X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CP85u1.0.dp2.Bv2Yr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4874 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Jean and all. I can see overunity results in your diagram. I'm very excited for this but I agree your caution and prudence in this results... Are you thinking now in the closed loop cycle?. Vicente. -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 17 16:32:30 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA18604; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:28:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:28:07 -0700 Message-Id: <199806172316.TAA00320@romeo.its.uwo.ca> X-Sender: mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:17:19 -0400 To: KeelyNet-L@lists.kz, freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: fredw@mks.com (Fred Walter) (by way of mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca) Subject: More Tesla Patents Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"_JZEX3.0.cY4.745Yr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4875 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Here are some more patents Chris Gupta. ============================================================================= I've finally had the time to add the rest of the Tesla patents (that were recently mailed to me) to my Patents web-page: http://www.u36.com/~fredw/patents/index.htm Here is the table of contents: Alternative Health Multiwave Oscillators US Patent #1962565 by George Lakhovsky (June 12, 1934) US Patent #2351055 by George Lakhovsky (June 13, 1944) Resonant Frequency (Rife) Devices US Patent Application by John Francis Crane (March 26, 1973); this patent application is useful for historical purposes, as it contains a partial history of Rife devices and a health-problem/frequency-list. Nikola Tesla British Patent 1,877 Improvements in Electric Lamps British Patent 2,801 Improvements in Reciprocating Engines and Means for Regulating the Period of the same British Patent 2,812 Improvements in Methods of and Apparatus for the Generation of Electric Currents of Defined Period British Patent 2,975 Improvements in Dynamo Electric Machines British Patent 6,481 Improvements relating to the Electrical Transmission of Power and to Apparatus therefor British Patent 6,502 Improvements relating to the Generation and Distribution of Electric Currents and to Apparatus therefor British Patent 6,527 Improvements relating to Electro-motors British Patent 8,200 Improvements relating to the Transmission of Electrical Energy British Patent 8,575 Improved Methods of and Apparatus for Generating and Utilizing Electric Energy for Lighting Purposes British Patent 11,293 Improvements relating to the Utilization of Electromagnetic, Light, or other like Radiations Effects or Disturbances transmitted through the Natural Media and to Apparatus therefor British Patent 11,473 Improvements in Alternating Current Electro-magnetic Motors British Patent 13,563 Improvements in, and relating to, the Transmission of Electrical Energy British Patent 14,550 Improvements relating to the Insulation of Electric Conductors British Patent 14,579 Improvements in and relating to the Transmission of Electrical Energy British Patent 16,709 Improvements relating to the Conversion of Alternating into Direct Electric Currents British Patent 19,420 Improvements in Alternating Current Electro-magnetic Motors British Patent 19,426 Improvements in the Construction and Mode of Operating Alternating Current Motors Canadian Patent 24,033 Improvements in Dynamo Electric Machines Canadian Patent 29,537 Improvements in Methods of and Apparatus for the Electrical Transmission of Power Canadian Patent 30,172 Improvements in Methods of and Apparatus for Converting and Distributing Electric Currents Canadian Patent 33,317 Improvements in Methods and Apparatus for Converting Alternating into Direct Currents Canadian Patent 135,174 Improvements in Fluid Propulsion (Tesla Pump) Canadian Patent 142,352 Improvement in the Art of Transmitting Electrical Energy Through the Natural Mediums From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 17 18:11:43 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA05922; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:09:34 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:09:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: bailey@shell14.ba.best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:55:58 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com (Freengr List) From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: Cold Fusion Updates: Web File Resent-Message-ID: <"dQmWU3.0.OS1.AZ6Yr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4876 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com For a listing of the paper titles and the workshop that was held on "cold fusion" (AKA Low-Energy Nuclear Reactions) at the ANS Annual Meeting last week, see: http://www.padrak.com/ine/ANS98.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 17 22:43:49 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA07756; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:38:02 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:38:02 -0700 (PDT) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:38:17 -0500 Subject: BrianABQ@aol.com: Re: Cloud Busting/Page updated Message-ID: <19980617.235421.19526.18.ROADHAZARD@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-22 From: roadhazard@juno.com (Thomas G. LaViness) Resent-Message-ID: <"NOwUe.0._u1.qUAYr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4877 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com If I am not on this list why do I keep getting these messages. --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: BrianABQ@aol.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Cloud Busting/Page updated Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:11:15 EDT Message-ID: <11d01c3a.3587eaa4@aol.com> What is a cloudbuster? Sorry, I'm new here. Thanks, Brian --------- End forwarded message ---------- _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 17 22:47:09 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA29291; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:42:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:42:12 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:38:35 -0500 Subject: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey): INE and Antigravity News Websites Have Just Been Updated Message-ID: <19980617.235421.19526.19.ROADHAZARD@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-27 From: roadhazard@juno.com (Thomas G. LaViness) Resent-Message-ID: <"nG8gX3.0.W97.pYAYr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4878 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com If I am not on this list why do I keep getting these messages. --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com (Freengr List) Subject: INE and Antigravity News Websites Have Just Been Updated Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:28:33 -0800 Message-ID: These websites have just been updated! The Institute for New Energy: http://www.padrak.com/ine/ ----------------------------- The Antigravity News: http://www.padrak.com/agn/ --------------------- --------- End forwarded message ---------- _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 17 22:49:48 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA30148; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:46:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:46:38 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:37:09 -0500 Subject: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga : PRELIMINARY TEST. RUN1. - NEWMAN ENERGY MACHINE Message-ID: <19980617.235421.19526.12.ROADHAZARD@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-6,8-28 From: roadhazard@juno.com (Thomas G. LaViness) Resent-Message-ID: <"KLIdk3.0.zM7.zcAYr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4880 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com If I am not on this list why do I keep getting these messages. --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga To: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" ,"JNaudin509@aol.com" Subject: PRELIMINARY TEST. RUN1. - NEWMAN ENERGY MACHINE Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:51:27 +0200 Message-ID: <35882C4F.1033A077@ctv.es> Hi Jean and all. I can see overunity results in your diagram. I'm very excited for this but I agree your caution and prudence in this results... Are you thinking now in the closed loop cycle?. Vicente. -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN --------- End forwarded message ---------- _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 17 22:50:48 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA29950; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:45:10 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:45:10 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:36:38 -0500 Subject: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga : Re: Cloud Busting/Page updated Message-ID: <19980617.235421.19526.10.ROADHAZARD@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-33 From: roadhazard@juno.com (Thomas G. LaViness) Resent-Message-ID: <"U-5F_3.0.uJ7.bbAYr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4879 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com If I am not on this list why do I keep getting these messages. --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Cloud Busting/Page updated Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:33:30 +0200 Message-ID: <35882819.33DE9013@ctv.es> References: <11d01c3a.3587eaa4@aol.com> BrianABQ@aol.com wrote: > What is a cloudbuster? Sorry, I'm new here. > > Thanks, > Brian Hi, Brian The Cloudbuster is an old device capable to make rain. Vicente. -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN --------- End forwarded message ---------- _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 17 23:05:24 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA14354; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:03:25 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:03:25 -0700 (PDT) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:36:57 -0500 Subject: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga : Re: Cloud Busting/Page updated Message-ID: <19980617.235421.19526.11.ROADHAZARD@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-11,13-72 From: roadhazard@juno.com (Thomas G. LaViness) Resent-Message-ID: <"FG-fE1.0.5W3.csAYr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4881 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com If I am not on this list why do I keep getting these messages. --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Cloud Busting/Page updated Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:42:00 +0200 Message-ID: <35882A17.A856CFD6@ctv.es> References: <35884F7F.3B781CDC@ihug.co.nz> John Berry wrote: > They do work and have become perfected, Loom of the Future is a book > all > about cloudbusting, The Interviewer in the book and then Borderland > Sciences Research Foundation director: Thomas J. Brown, If you want to > make > a cloudbuster you should contact him, As he has experience with cloud > busters and should help you make a good cloudbuster and most > importantly > how to use it safely. > Email tjb@hemp.co.nz (I think he may be on a trip to the US so I > don't > know if he can answer right away) > > Thomas: hope you don't mind, just I thought that a cloud buster used > without enough knowledge of how to do so safely is a dangerous thing. > > John Berry > > Zack Widup wrote: > > > On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > Sorry, for more info I added more descriptions about the > Cloudbuster. > > > Vicente > > > > > > > I'll have to check that out! > > > > I have found very little about the Cloudbuster except for a book in > the > > library called Selected Writings of Wilhelm Reich. It had a short > > description and a couple diagrams. > > > > Do they really work? > > > > (I know ... TRY IT ...) > > > > Zack JohnThanks for your support. I don't know if this thing works, but I want test it next weeks. Vicente. -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN --------- End forwarded message ---------- _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 17 23:15:13 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA14839; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:05:28 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:05:28 -0700 (PDT) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:37:52 -0500 Subject: Stefan Hartmann : Re: Newman Commutator modification ? critical value of L/R ? Message-ID: <19980617.235421.19526.16.ROADHAZARD@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-11,14-39,41-58,60-64,66-69,71,73-75,77-79,81-87,89-110 From: roadhazard@juno.com (Thomas G. LaViness) Resent-Message-ID: <"SM8zV1.0.gd3.auAYr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4882 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com If I am not on this list why do I keep getting these messages. --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: Stefan Hartmann To: Stefan Hartmann Cc: JNaudin509@aol.com, ddameron@earthlink.net, mrand910@yahoo.com,newman-list ,freenrg-l ,"W.D. Bauer" Subject: Re: Newman Commutator modification ? critical value of L/R ? Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 01:37:13 +0200 Message-ID: <358701A9.276E0E9C@harti.com> References: <183f491f.3586894d@aol.com> <3586F5EC.5C087963@harti.com> Hi, there must be a threshold level of the coil parameter L / R to get a Newman coil into OU operation. This can only be achived by using more copper mass. Can anybody calculate this critical value of L/R ? Regards, Stefan. Stefan Hartmann wrote: > Hi JL, > > can you please modify your commutator > this way, that the coil is switched to a resistor load > during period 3-5 and the rotor is only accelerator during period 1 to 2 > in your: > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlnaudin/images/Q11induc.gif > > picture ? > > This way you can see, how much power is generated inside the coil > DC resistance and external resistance during period 3 to 5 > versus input power period 1 to 2. > > Regards, Stefan. > > JNaudin509@aol.com wrote: > > > On 16/06/1998 16:31:37 , harti@harti.com wrote : > > > > << > > do you have a Neon bulb across your coil ??? > > If not, be careful about the internal sparking possibilities inside the coil, > > that can damage your coil and can short it out internally ! > > > > >> > > > > Yes I have connect a small NeonBulb in some case, but not in the most case as > > you can see in the scope picture in my web site. > > Thanks for your advice !! > > > > You will find in the attached document, a very helpfull scope picture which > > shows the voltage induced in the Newman's coil Vs the angle of the magnet. > > This is a free run of the motor without the firing pulses. > > > > I hope that this will be a very helpfull doc for our understanding of the > > principle. > > > > Ps: I have also updated my web site with this picture, so you can use it as > > reference for the discussion-list about the tuning... > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Jean-Louis > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > [Image] > > -- > Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann > Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 > email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com > Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net --------- End forwarded message ---------- _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 17 23:18:44 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA02426; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:10:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:10:38 -0700 Message-ID: <3588AF49.7AD9DD09@darknet.net> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 02:10:17 -0400 From: Steve Organization: DarkNet Online/Digital Fusion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Stefan Hartmann : Re: Newman Commutator modification ? critical value of L/R ? References: <19980617.235421.19526.16.ROADHAZARD@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_3N0a.0.qb.UzAYr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4883 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thomas G. LaViness wrote: > If I am not on this list why do I keep getting these messages. Uhh.. I'd say you're on the list... instead of replying to each email with the same question, why not simply unsubscribe yourself? ttyl -Steve p.s. no, I do not have the procedures for unsubscribing yourself. -- darklord@darknet.net | UIN: 5113616 DarkNet Online: http://www.darknet.net Digital Fusion: http://www.darknet.net/fusion From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 17 23:23:07 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA04735; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:19:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:19:48 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 00:16:19 -0600 (MDT) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Stefan Hartmann : Re: Newman Commutator modification ? critical value of L/R ? In-Reply-To: <3588AF49.7AD9DD09@darknet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"wAIbc2.0.e91.36BYr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4884 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Thu, 18 Jun 1998, Steve wrote: Thomas G. LaViness wrote: > If I am not on this list why do I keep getting these messages. Uhh.. I'd say you're on the list... instead of replying to each email with the same question, why not simply unsubscribe yourself? ttyl -Steve ------------------------------ And tell you smart son or daughter to knock it off! They may learn something. ~no more computers OR Free-Energy~ (that'll teach em:) simply type "unsubscribe" in the subject and/or body to freenrgy-l-request@eskimo.com and your out of here. SeeYa, -=se=- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 18 01:22:54 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA11207; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:20:48 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:20:48 -0700 (PDT) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:37:30 -0500 Subject: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey): Cold Fusion Updates: Web File Message-ID: <19980617.235421.19526.14.ROADHAZARD@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-24 From: roadhazard@juno.com (Thomas G. LaViness) Resent-Message-ID: <"pkA2u1.0.0l2.TtCYr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4885 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com If I am not on this list why do I keep getting these messages. --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com (Freengr List) Subject: Cold Fusion Updates: Web File Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:55:58 -0800 Message-ID: For a listing of the paper titles and the workshop that was held on "cold fusion" (AKA Low-Energy Nuclear Reactions) at the ANS Annual Meeting last week, see: http://www.padrak.com/ine/ANS98.html --------- End forwarded message ---------- _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 18 01:23:13 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA18486; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:20:01 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:20:01 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:38:07 -0500 Subject: William Beaty : Outlet for Cool Electronics Ideas (fwd) Message-ID: <19980617.235421.19526.17.ROADHAZARD@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-22,24,26-27,29,31-46,48,50-60 From: roadhazard@juno.com (Thomas G. LaViness) Resent-Message-ID: <"PnF0q.0.mW4.msCYr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4886 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com If I am not on this list why do I keep getting these messages. --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Outlet for Cool Electronics Ideas (fwd) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 13:38:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Anyone have any good projects that this guy could spread around? (Buyer beware, I don't know him, I just received this email out of the blue.) ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 13:20:23 -0500 From: Mark Strong To: billb@eskimo.com Subject: Outlet for Cool Electronics Ideas I currently make and sell electronics stuff for pro audio guys. I am interested in making and selling cool electronics stuff for audio and non-audio applications. Either finished goods or kits. I have great interest in the off-beat & fringe stuff "weird science". Once you "weird science" types have come up with something and wish someone would either make it or make boards, parts, coils etc., available.... I'm your man. I even have an engineer in Seattle available to assist with whatever needs proliferating. And if by any wild chance you come up with any potentially profitable devices.... Well I'm so weird that I'll manufacture almost anything even if it only has a slim chance of breaking even. I'm the implementer, manufacturer and proliferator of weird shit, at your service. --------- End forwarded message ---------- _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 18 01:32:43 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA13698; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:30:39 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:30:39 -0700 (PDT) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:37:41 -0500 Subject: Stefan Hartmann : Newman Commutator modifying ? Message-ID: <19980617.235421.19526.15.ROADHAZARD@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-10,13-43,45-49,51-54,56,58-60,62-64,66-72,74-88 From: roadhazard@juno.com (Thomas G. LaViness) Resent-Message-ID: <"udpvy2.0.qL3.i0DYr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4887 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com If I am not on this list why do I keep getting these messages. --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: Stefan Hartmann To: JNaudin509@aol.com Cc: Stefan Hartmann , ddameron@earthlink.net,mrand910@yahoo.com, newman-list ,freenrg-l Subject: Newman Commutator modifying ? Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:47:08 +0200 Message-ID: <3586F5EC.5C087963@harti.com> References: <183f491f.3586894d@aol.com> Hi JL, can you please modify your commutator this way, that the coil is switched to a resistor load during period 3-5 and the rotor is only accelerator during period 1 to 2 in your: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlnaudin/images/Q11induc.gif picture ? This way you can see, how much power is generated inside the coil DC resistance and external resistance during period 3 to 5 versus input power period 1 to 2. Regards, Stefan. JNaudin509@aol.com wrote: > On 16/06/1998 16:31:37 , harti@harti.com wrote : > > << > do you have a Neon bulb across your coil ??? > If not, be careful about the internal sparking possibilities inside the coil, > that can damage your coil and can short it out internally ! > > >> > > Yes I have connect a small NeonBulb in some case, but not in the most case as > you can see in the scope picture in my web site. > Thanks for your advice !! > > You will find in the attached document, a very helpfull scope picture which > shows the voltage induced in the Newman's coil Vs the angle of the magnet. > This is a free run of the motor without the firing pulses. > > I hope that this will be a very helpfull doc for our understanding of the > principle. > > Ps: I have also updated my web site with this picture, so you can use it as > reference for the discussion-list about the tuning... > > Sincerely, > > Jean-Louis > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > [Image] -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net --------- End forwarded message ---------- _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 18 02:20:12 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA20326; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 02:18:38 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 02:18:38 -0700 (PDT) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:37:19 -0500 Subject: fredw@mks.com (Fred Walter) (by way of mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca): More Tesla Patents Message-ID: <19980617.235421.19526.13.ROADHAZARD@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-42,44-108 From: roadhazard@juno.com (Thomas G. LaViness) Resent-Message-ID: <"0mw-W2.0.Oz4.gjDYr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4888 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com If I am not on this list why do I keep getting these messages. --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: fredw@mks.com (Fred Walter) (by way of mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca) To: KeelyNet-L@lists.kz, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: More Tesla Patents Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:17:19 -0400 Message-ID: <199806172316.TAA00320@romeo.its.uwo.ca> Here are some more patents Chris Gupta. ============================================================================= I've finally had the time to add the rest of the Tesla patents (that were recently mailed to me) to my Patents web-page: http://www.u36.com/~fredw/patents/index.htm Here is the table of contents: Alternative Health Multiwave Oscillators US Patent #1962565 by George Lakhovsky (June 12, 1934) US Patent #2351055 by George Lakhovsky (June 13, 1944) Resonant Frequency (Rife) Devices US Patent Application by John Francis Crane (March 26, 1973); this patent application is useful for historical purposes, as it contains a partial history of Rife devices and a health-problem/frequency-list. Nikola Tesla British Patent 1,877 Improvements in Electric Lamps British Patent 2,801 Improvements in Reciprocating Engines and Means for Regulating the Period of the same British Patent 2,812 Improvements in Methods of and Apparatus for the Generation of Electric Currents of Defined Period British Patent 2,975 Improvements in Dynamo Electric Machines British Patent 6,481 Improvements relating to the Electrical Transmission of Power and to Apparatus therefor British Patent 6,502 Improvements relating to the Generation and Distribution of Electric Currents and to Apparatus therefor British Patent 6,527 Improvements relating to Electro-motors British Patent 8,200 Improvements relating to the Transmission of Electrical Energy British Patent 8,575 Improved Methods of and Apparatus for Generating and Utilizing Electric Energy for Lighting Purposes British Patent 11,293 Improvements relating to the Utilization of Electromagnetic, Light, or other like Radiations Effects or Disturbances transmitted through the Natural Media and to Apparatus therefor British Patent 11,473 Improvements in Alternating Current Electro-magnetic Motors British Patent 13,563 Improvements in, and relating to, the Transmission of Electrical Energy British Patent 14,550 Improvements relating to the Insulation of Electric Conductors British Patent 14,579 Improvements in and relating to the Transmission of Electrical Energy British Patent 16,709 Improvements relating to the Conversion of Alternating into Direct Electric Currents British Patent 19,420 Improvements in Alternating Current Electro-magnetic Motors British Patent 19,426 Improvements in the Construction and Mode of Operating Alternating Current Motors Canadian Patent 24,033 Improvements in Dynamo Electric Machines Canadian Patent 29,537 Improvements in Methods of and Apparatus for the Electrical Transmission of Power Canadian Patent 30,172 Improvements in Methods of and Apparatus for Converting and Distributing Electric Currents Canadian Patent 33,317 Improvements in Methods and Apparatus for Converting Alternating into Direct Currents Canadian Patent 135,174 Improvements in Fluid Propulsion (Tesla Pump) Canadian Patent 142,352 Improvement in the Art of Transmitting Electrical Energy Through the Natural Mediums --------- End forwarded message ---------- _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 18 04:27:00 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA05381; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 04:25:41 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 04:25:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3588F774.EBB3D0DD@harti.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:18:12 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JNaudin509@aol.com CC: ddameron@earthlink.net, mrandall@earthlink.net, Stefan Hartmann , newman-l@emachine.com, Wolf-Dietrich Bauer , mrand910@yahoo.com, freenrg-l Subject: Re: Secret in Newman machines References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fxRnG1.0.zJ1.naFYr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4889 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi All, I am compiling a few new pages about the Secret in Newman machines right now. You can have a look at this compilation at: http://www.overunity.com/nnew/newman3.htm The next pages will still come up. So check it out again at the weekend. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 18 05:04:48 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA10361; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 05:03:17 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 05:03:17 -0700 (PDT) From: JNaudin509@aol.com Message-ID: <9ab358db.3588ffcb@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 07:53:46 EDT To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Cc: ddameron@earthlink.net, mrandall@earthlink.net, mrand910@yahoo.com, newman-l@emachine.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re : Re: Secret in Newman machines Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 116 Resent-Message-ID: <"hDXGm.0.pX2.38GYr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4890 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On 18/06/1998 13:20:08 , harti@harti.com wrote : << I am compiling a few new pages about the Secret in Newman machines right now. >> Hi Stefan, Thanks, this is very helpfull, may be "The secret of the Newman's Machine functionning principle " will be discovered and shared soon, due to our strong and common synergy. Sincerely, Jean-Louis Naudin (France) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 18 06:10:04 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA22833; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 06:08:36 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 06:08:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35891049.19E1568C@harti.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:04:10 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Newman-L Mailing List CC: ddameron@earthlink.net, mrandall@earthlink.net, mrand910@yahoo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Re : Re: Secret in Newman machines References: <9ab358db.3588ffcb@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MmzZy1.0.ha5.J5HYr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4891 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com JNaudin509@aol.com wrote: > On 18/06/1998 13:20:08 , harti@harti.com wrote : > > << > I am compiling a few new pages about the Secret in Newman machines > right now. > >> > > Hi Stefan, > > Thanks, this is very helpfull, may be "The secret of the Newman's Machine > functionning principle " will be discovered and shared soon, due to our strong > and common synergy. > > Sincerely, > > Jean-Louis Naudin (France) The secret seems also to be: if you make your coil bigger and bigger (with more number of turns and bigger diameter wire) you can win much more energy via a dphi/dt event. So a magnetic flux change per time interval will give you much more output energy when the coil is bigger and it seems NOT to be related to the mechanical energy needed to produce this flux change (via rotation deacceleration of the magnet rotor). It seems the Lenz law is not valid in Newman´s pulsed commutator setup Motor/Generator. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 18 06:19:13 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA06793; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 06:14:34 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 06:14:34 -0700 Message-ID: <35891232.8F25935B@harti.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:12:19 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Newman-L Mailing List CC: ddameron@earthlink.net, mrandall@earthlink.net, mrand910@yahoo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Re : Re: Secret in Newman machines References: <9ab358db.3588ffcb@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WyjLG3.0.-f1.wAHYr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4892 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com JNaudin509@aol.com wrote: > On 18/06/1998 13:20:08 , harti@harti.com wrote : > > << > I am compiling a few new pages about the Secret in Newman machines > right now. > >> > > Hi Stefan, > > Thanks, this is very helpfull, may be "The secret of the Newman's Machine > functionning principle " will be discovered and shared soon, due to our strong > and common synergy. > > Sincerely, > > Jean-Louis Naudin (France) JL, you run your Newman motor at 315 Volts supply voltage, right ? Now it produces at this voltage a Speed of 230 RPM If you rotate your Newman rotor BY HAND at this Speed = 230 RPM it produces 600 Volts maximum "free run" generator voltage, right ? ! Do you now see the light ? A Newman coil must generate more internal voltage than external applied input voltage at the same RPM, than it can go overunity ! Now you only have to collect the 600 Volts back at the right timing via your commutator to your caps and voila, you can have a selfrunner! :) Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 18 06:29:27 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA27356; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 06:27:23 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 06:27:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35890E01.3D095818@harti.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:54:25 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Newman-L Mailing List CC: ddameron@earthlink.net, mrandall@earthlink.net, mrand910@yahoo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Re : Re: Secret in Newman machines References: <9ab358db.3588ffcb@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"P2s-R.0.Mh6.wMHYr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4893 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com JNaudin509@aol.com wrote: > On 18/06/1998 13:20:08 , harti@harti.com wrote : > > << > I am compiling a few new pages about the Secret in Newman machines > right now. > >> > > Hi Stefan, > > Thanks, this is very helpfull, may be "The secret of the Newman's Machine > functionning principle " will be discovered and shared soon, due to our strong > and common synergy. > > Sincerely, > > Jean-Louis Naudin (France) I guess it is the high induction voltage inside the coil, when the rotor rotates like a generator. (in "free run" mode) In normal motors you have a limited generator voltage due to the steel is going into saturation. With the Newman motor you can see in your "free run" picture, that it can generate 600 Volts of amplitude generator voltage, which is almost double as the input voltage ! So the secret is: Make the coil have as many numbers possible with BIG wire diameter to get a higher "free run" induction voltage than the input voltage and use the commutator to "recharge" your caps or battery with this higher induction generator voltage at the right moment ! Now the secret is out. :) JL, try to change your commutator this way and you will see you will also get these huge charging currents back to your caps. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 18 07:06:52 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA05258; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 07:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 07:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3D900D399CCDD111B3AB00805FE6FFA3099CCB@exchange201.comp.pge.com> From: "Goodwin, Frank" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: Cloud Busting/Page updated Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 07:00:24 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"4V5M02.0.yH1.duHYr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4894 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com PLEASE!!! Don't test it in California any time soon!!! We've had enough rain for now. :-) Frank Goodwin fog@technologist.com > ---------- > From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga[SMTP:vramos@ctv.es] > Reply To: vramos@ctv.es > Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 1998 1:33 PM > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: Cloud Busting/Page updated > > BrianABQ@aol.com wrote: > > > What is a cloudbuster? Sorry, I'm new here. > > > > Thanks, > > Brian > > > Hi, Brian > The Cloudbuster is an old device capable to make rain. > Vicente. > > -- > Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga > E-mail: vramos@ctv.es > Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm > Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 18 08:19:22 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA29048; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 08:13:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 08:13:40 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980618112124.00778178@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:21:28 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Thomas LaVines Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"p04TJ3.0.m57.awIYr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4895 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com If you are not on the mailing list, why do I keep getting your messages... At 11:37 PM 6/17/98 -0500, you wrote: >If I am not on this list why do I keep getting these messages. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 18 08:43:01 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA01808; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 08:36:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 08:36:09 -0700 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Message-ID: <16def2d.35893348@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:33:27 EDT To: newman-l@emachine.com Cc: ddameron@earthlink.net, mrandall@earthlink.net, mrand910@yahoo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re : Re: Re : Re: Secret in Newman machines Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 116 Resent-Message-ID: <"F2XGz2.0.vR.eFJYr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4896 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Stefan and All, On 18/06/1998 16:24:53 , harti@harti.com a wrote : << you run your Newman motor at 315 Volts supply voltage, right ? Now it produces at this voltage a Speed of 230 RPM>> My current working voltage is 275V at this voltage the motor run at 230RPM -------- << If you rotate your Newman rotor BY HAND at this Speed = 230 RPM it produces 600 Volts maximum "free run" generator voltage, right ? ! Do you now see the light ? >> Eureka !! :-) Jean-Louis From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 18 10:06:41 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA01252; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:59:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:59:02 -0700 Message-ID: <35893D95.2A900810@harti.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:17:25 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: newman-l@emachine.com, ddameron@earthlink.net, mrandall@earthlink.net, mrand910@yahoo.com, JNaudin509@aol.com Subject: Secret in Newman machines now online ! :) References: <16def2d.35893348@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nM_Aq2.0.RJ.LTKYr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4897 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com JNaudin509@aol.com wrote: > Hi Stefan and All, > > On 18/06/1998 16:24:53 , harti@harti.com a wrote : > << you run your Newman motor at 315 Volts supply voltage, right ? > > Now it produces at this voltage a Speed of 230 RPM>> > > My current working voltage is 275V at this voltage the motor run at 230RPM I see, okay, this is even better for the output ! :) > > > -------- > << If you rotate your Newman rotor BY HAND at this Speed = 230 RPM > it produces 600 Volts maximum "free run" generator voltage, right ? ! > > Do you now see the light ? > >> > > Eureka !! :-) > Jean-Louis Now the secret page is online. http://www.overunity.com/nnew/newman5.htm -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 18 10:14:41 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA05545; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:08:47 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:08:47 -0700 Message-Id: <199806181640.NAA14195@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" Organization: Computec Ltda To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:41:22 -3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Secret in Newman machines Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal In-reply-to: <35891049.19E1568C@harti.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id KAA05399 Resent-Message-ID: <"8P8hX.0._L1.QcKYr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4898 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > > The secret seems also to be: > > if you make your coil bigger and bigger (with more number of turns and bigger > diameter wire) you can win much more energy via a dphi/dt event. So a magnetic > flux change per time interval will give you much more output energy when the > coil is bigger and it seems NOT to be related to the mechanical energy needed > to produce this flux change (via rotation deacceleration of the magnet rotor). > > It seems the Lenz law is not valid in Newman´s pulsed commutator setup > Motor/Generator. > > Regards, Stefan. > This means if you have a few turns coil, the back EMF will be lower than the applied voltage. But if you have a coil with lots of turns, the back EMF will be greater than the applied voltage. So what is the relation between the coil's size and the voltage gain ? And if the effect is not related to the mechanical energy needed to turn the rotor, the effect will be there even without the magnet inside the coil. Or even without the magnet moving. Hummm.... Remember those Dragone papers ? --- Marcelo Puhl mark@plug-in.com.br From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 18 10:33:10 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA16101; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:28:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:28:35 -0700 Message-ID: <35894750.5CA4482@harti.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:58:56 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: newman-l@emachine.com, ddameron@earthlink.net, mrandall@earthlink.net, mrand910@yahoo.com, JNaudin509@aol.com Subject: Re: Secret in Newman machines References: <16def2d.35893348@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1e9eV2.0.Px3.2vKYr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4899 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com http://www.overunity.com/nnew/newman5.htm I still updated a few unclear words and now have the right voltages from Jean Louis. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 18 10:40:23 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA21094; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:34:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:34:48 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:24:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19980618114723.11078da2@pop.mymail.net> X-Sender: sunbrite@pop.mymail.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael C Slivinski Subject: Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Secret in Newman machines Resent-Message-ID: <"DjYei.0.F95.q-KYr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4900 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello, Regarding below, eureka, I think I see what the excitement is about, but... don't understand how you take advantage of this difference in voltage... do you supply power for awhile, then let it free wheel and use the 600 volts, and also what about the current supplied to run it initialy vs the current supplied output with the 600 hundred volts while it free wheels. please if you don't mind clarify for me my understanding/misunderstanding of what is going on here. thanks mike slivinski At 11:33 AM 6/18/98 EDT, you wrote: >Hi Stefan and All, > >On 18/06/1998 16:24:53 , harti@harti.com a wrote : ><< you run your Newman motor at 315 Volts supply voltage, right ? > > Now it produces at this voltage a Speed of 230 RPM>> > >My current working voltage is 275V at this voltage the motor run at 230RPM > >-------- ><< If you rotate your Newman rotor BY HAND at this Speed = 230 RPM > it produces 600 Volts maximum "free run" generator voltage, right ? ! > > Do you now see the light ? > >> > >Eureka !! :-) > >Jean-Louis > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 18 11:01:51 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA32462; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:56:24 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:56:24 -0700 Message-ID: <358953F0.49AEA75F@harti.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:52:49 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, Michael C Slivinski , newman-list Subject: Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Secret in Newman machines References: <1.5.4.16.19980618114723.11078da2@pop.mymail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pzP2K2.0.kw7.4JLYr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4901 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Michael C Slivinski wrote: > Hello, Regarding below, eureka, I think I see what the excitement is about, > but... don't understand how you take advantage of this difference in voltage... > do you supply power for awhile, then let it free wheel and use the 600 > volts, and also > what about the current supplied to run it initialy vs the current supplied > output with the 600 hundred volts while it free wheels. > please if you don't mind clarify for me my understanding/misunderstanding of > what is going on here. > > thanks mike slivinski Have a look at: http://www.overunity.com/nnew/Q11induc.gifYou apply just input power from position 1 to 2 and then can wait. Then you can e.g. use position 3 to 5 to charge an external capacitor for example. This is just one example. You can also reverse the input current at position 2 and 4 and recharge directly the supply capacitors ! > At 11:33 AM 6/18/98 EDT, you wrote: > >Hi Stefan and All, > > > >On 18/06/1998 16:24:53 , harti@harti.com a wrote : > ><< you run your Newman motor at 315 Volts supply voltage, right ? > > > > Now it produces at this voltage a Speed of 230 RPM>> > > > >My current working voltage is 275V at this voltage the motor run at 230RPM > > > >-------- > ><< If you rotate your Newman rotor BY HAND at this Speed = 230 RPM > > it produces 600 Volts maximum "free run" generator voltage, right ? ! > > > > Do you now see the light ? > > >> > > > >Eureka !! :-) > > > >Jean-Louis > > > > > > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 18 11:39:05 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA20878; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:35:13 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:35:13 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <247db386.35895da7@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:34:14 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Could you explain reason for power difference? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"HPwNT3.0.065.VtLYr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4902 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com To Stefan and all, Stefan, I believe the data you have put on the list is real. The power in, is lower than the power produced by the switching at points 2 and 4. Could you give your reasons as you see it, for this to take place? Why is the large back emf produced at points 2 and 4 , not produced at points 1 and 3 ? The RPM is the same. Why is the input voltage not "forced" down to a very low point because of this higher back emf ? Regards, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 18 11:45:10 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA24399; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:41:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:41:42 -0700 From: BrianABQ@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:39:36 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: BrianABQ@aol.com: Re: Cloud Busting/Page updated Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 62 Resent-Message-ID: <"V_ZZs1.0.hy5.YzLYr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4904 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Some one might be using your name to post- Brian From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 18 11:45:34 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA23045; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:38:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:38:54 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:38:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Zack Widup Subject: RE: Cloud Busting/Page updated To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <3D900D399CCDD111B3AB00805FE6FFA3099CCB@exchange201.comp.pge.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"eMja-2.0.dd5.wwLYr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4903 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Thu, 18 Jun 1998, Goodwin, Frank wrote: > PLEASE!!! Don't test it in California any time soon!!! We've had enough > rain for now. :-) > > Frank Goodwin > fog@technologist.com > > > > > BrianABQ@aol.com wrote: > > > > > What is a cloudbuster? Sorry, I'm new here. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Brian > > > > > > Hi, Brian > > The Cloudbuster is an old device capable to make rain. > > Vicente. > > > > -- > > Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga There's more to it than that. In Reich's book there was a diagram which indicated that it would reinforce a cloud or storm if pointed in a certain area of sky near the cloud, and would dissipate or "bust" the cloud if pointed directly at it. Either effect could be achieved IF you knew what you were doing. I think it's best to read Reich's works on orgone energy so you have an understanding of what he said was happening. Zack From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 18 12:06:53 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA02603; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:03:32 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:03:32 -0700 Message-ID: <358963DC.88104B9D@harti.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 21:00:45 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Newman-L Mailing List , HLafonte@aol.com, freenrg-l Subject: Re: Could you explain reason for power difference? References: <44a22b0a.35895771@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nmaVm2.0.Xe.3IMYr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4905 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com HLafonte@aol.com wrote: > To Stefan and all, > Stefan, I believe the data you have put on the list is real. > The power in, is lower than the power produced by the switching at points 2 > and 4. > Could you give your reasons as you see it, for this to take place? Well, I just don´t know the reason. I can only see it from the scope traces presented. Why it it this case, I just don´t know. I really guess, it really comes from this coil parameters that there is a threshold level of L/R where a coil can go overunity in combination with a rotating magnet and it might be that Joe Newman is right with his Gyroscopic particle theory converts matter to energy.. Regards, Stefan. > Why is the large back emf produced at points 2 and 4 , not produced at points > 1 and 3 ? The RPM is the same. Why is the input voltage not "forced" down to a > very low point because of this higher back emf ? > Regards, > Butch -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 18 12:24:44 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA07617; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:19:22 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:19:22 -0700 From: BrianABQ@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:16:04 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Cloud Busting/Page updated Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 62 Resent-Message-ID: <"EmKXV2.0.ls1.uWMYr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4906 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm, there is a diagram that makes no sense- It has running water into a bucket with a hole and a tube in it. Does a cloud buster have to do with electricity? Could I go out side and do that now? I didn't think so. Someone explain the details please. Brian From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 18 13:14:20 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA31922; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:09:15 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:09:15 -0700 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:07:58 EDT To: leoguitar@vossnet.de, newman-l@emachine.com, HLafonte@aol.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: harti@harti.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re : Re: Could you explain reason for power difference? Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 116 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id NAA31894 Resent-Message-ID: <"i6sSp3.0.go7.gFNYr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4907 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On 18/06/1998 21:06:33 , harti@harti.com wrote : << Well, I just don´t know the reason. I can only see it from the scope traces presented. Why it it this case, I just don´t know. >> Hi Stefan, Butch and all, In my Newman's Commutator V1.0, I have used two DIFFERENTS pairs of brushes maintened by an articulated arms (see the picture in my web site). So the difference in the current level can be explained easily, the current curve above the zero line is generated by the rear contacts of the commutator, the current curve bellow the zero line is generated by the front contacts of the commutator. This is the reason why, the curves of the positive phase and the negative can be different in point 2 and 4. This is only due to the MECHANICAL tuning of my actual version of the commutator. See the design of my Newman's commutator V1.0 at : http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlnaudin/html/qm11com.htm I hope that this will answer to your question, Sincerely, Jean-Louis From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 18 15:18:30 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA20906; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:11:28 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:11:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35898F67.51E907B@harti.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 00:06:32 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JNaudin509@aol.com CC: Stefan Hartmann , newman-l@emachine.com, HLafonte@aol.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, sunbrite@mymail.net, josephnewman@earthlink.net Subject: Overunity proof of Jean Louis´s Newman motor.. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"syxzA3.0.Q65.D2PYr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4908 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Hello All, Stephan,>I want to ask the question a differnet way. It was indicated in volts and >that is not the same as mentioning power/watts. >If the input voltage/current is at a certain amount of watts, what is the >600 volts >and current output in power?? if the return current with the 600v is very >low ... wouldn't/couldn't this be a low power return and in effect not >overunity. But... less than the total initial power input. >do you/does any body have the actual input power vs output power return gain >and /or >loss what ever the case maybe??? this would be more indictive of the actual >scnerio. >thanks again mike slivinski. Okay, folks here comes a proof in energy calculation. Lets just calculate in Wattsseconds and use CONSTANT values areas as an aproximation to avoid using integrals... Have a look again to: http://www.overunity.com/nnew/qmm11sc9.jpg JL is using an input pulse of maximum 7.5 mA for a duration of about 35 msec at a supply voltage of about 312 Volts. (he says it is just 275 Volts, but 220 Volts x 2(^1/2) is about 312 Volts peek voltage... and also his scope shows more supply voltage) This gives about 82 milliWattseconds input energy during one "firing" input pulse. If Jean Louis would finally design his commutator right, he could get as the electrical output as heat energy in his coil resistance: 600 Volts "freerun" generator Voltage - 312 Volts power supply = 288 Volts / 17223 Ohms DC resistance= 16.7 mA back current Now we use this back current to calculate the heat inside the DC resistance of the coil for about 20 milliseconds: I^2 x R x 20 milliseconds= 96 milliWattsseconds (20 milliseconds back-pulse duration could be got, if JL would switch his coil during position 3.5 to 4.5 back to his power supply) This alone is already 117% efficiency and you also still have mechanical rotor energy output and RF output as well... I hope JL can design his commutator right to proove this calculation by measuring it also ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 18 15:34:00 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA24626; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:30:48 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:30:48 -0700 (PDT) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:17:56 -0500 Subject: Re: Thomas LaVines Message-ID: <19980618.171758.26838.0.ROADHAZARD@juno.com> References: <3.0.32.19980618112124.00778178@cnct.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-8,11-14 From: roadhazard@juno.com (Thomas G. LaViness) Resent-Message-ID: <"GkYze2.0.Q06.HKPYr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4909 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:21:28 -0400 Keith Nagel writes: >If you are not on the mailing list, why do I keep getting your >messages... > >At 11:37 PM 6/17/98 -0500, you wrote: >>If I am not on this list why do I keep getting these messages. > > The reason I am sending these messages back is because I tried to get un subscribed off of this list but They kept telling me that there is no record of me being on this list. And I need off of this list. Tom _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 18 15:42:09 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA26604; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:39:28 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:39:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:37:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Zack Widup Subject: Re: Cloud Busting/Page updated To: BrianABQ@aol.com cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"iw-fP1.0.OV6.QSPYr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4910 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Thu, 18 Jun 1998 BrianABQ@aol.com wrote: > At http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm, there is a diagram that makes no > sense- It has running water into a bucket with a hole and a tube in it. Does a > cloud buster have to do with electricity? Could I go out side and do that now? > I didn't think so. Someone explain the details please. > > Brian > The original diagrams I referred to from a chapter in Selected Writings of Wilhelm Reich just had a wire from each tube running into a flowing stream. The tubes are mounted on a tripod or other support that allows them to be pointed at the sky. The tubes specified were approximately 1 inch in diameter and at least 10 feet long (not critical). There should be at least 2 parallel tubes. The tubes must be insulated from each other and from ground except through the wires; the wires must not touch each other or anything else (ESPECIALLY the operator!) except the flowing water. Someone else must have added the bucket idea. Maybe it provides a larger area of contact and extra support for the wires. I haven't quite equated the orgone energy to anything else I'm familiar with yet; Reich believed it wasn't electrical in nature, at least according to what most people think electricity is. I tend to think it IS connected with electrical phenomena somehow. The cloudbuster is supposed to bleed off or otherwise manipulate what Reich discovered as "negative orgone energy" which is harmful to most living things and dissipate it into the running stream where it will do the least damage. Hence the warning about not contacting the device or the wires; it could make you very ill according to his research. Zack From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 18 15:42:56 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA26815; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:40:21 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:40:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <358996B6.16CB00D7@darknet.net> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:37:42 -0400 From: Steve Organization: DarkNet Online/Digital Fusion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Thomas LaVines References: <3.0.32.19980618112124.00778178@cnct.com> <19980618.171758.26838.0.ROADHAZARD@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xg5tq3.0.sY6.GTPYr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4911 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hmm.. maybe someone subscribed you to this list using an email alias, so the mails are being forwarded to you thru another address..? No wait.. you couldn't post messages then.. forget that.. Hmm.. what about setting up a mail filter to simply delete any messages from this list until the problem is solved? ttyl -Steve -- darklord@darknet.net | UIN: 5113616 DarkNet Online: http://www.darknet.net Digital Fusion: http://www.darknet.net/fusion From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 18 16:37:15 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05913; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:22:31 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:22:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980618231818.006c5ae8@mail.wincom.net> X-Sender: wood@mail.wincom.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:18:18 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wood Subject: Re: Thomas LaVines Resent-Message-ID: <"1esEd.0.DS1.n4QYr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4912 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > >At 11:37 PM 6/17/98 -0500, you wrote: >>If I am not on this list why do I keep getting these messages. > > It must be some kind of magic.How else could some one get on your computer with your address and then subscribe you to an intelligent list.It must have been a strange coincidence of random bytes got into the list server and just happened to spell out your name and address.Its a miracle.Now if you dont want to read this list ask nicely and you will be directed how to get off.Don't get mad at us because of this miraculous event.Let your friends and family know of this event and how much you didn't like it. Woody From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 18 16:43:02 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA09374; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:41:04 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:41:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980618194127.007b3288@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:41:31 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: Thomas LaVines Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"4QAmP3.0.BI2.9MQYr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4913 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I know Tom, sometimes I feel the great oppressive weight of Them as well. Yes, we know the real story don't we... They control the worlds money markets, They are the real reasons behind war and famine. Behind a smiling mask They hide, toying with us as a cat plays with mouse. It was They who asassinated Kennedy! and Kenny too! And now They bombard your mailbox with irrelevant and vaguely annoying posts for NO REASON WHATSOEVER! ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHH. K. At 05:17 PM 6/18/98 -0500, you wrote: >The reason I am sending these messages back is because I tried to get un >subscribed off of this list but They kept telling me that there is no >record of me being on this list. >And I need off of this list. > >Tom From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 18 16:47:51 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA21616; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:45:15 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:45:15 -0700 Message-ID: <358AB107.592C60B5@ihug.co.nz> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:42:16 -0700 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Thomas LaVines References: <3.0.32.19980618112124.00778178@cnct.com> <19980618.171758.26838.0.ROADHAZARD@juno.com> <358996B6.16CB00D7@darknet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7q_5h1.0.aH5.BQQYr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4914 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Try subscribing yourself and then unsubscribing yourself, but I can't understand how you can post to the list? Steve wrote: > Hmm.. maybe someone subscribed you to this list using an email alias, so the > mails > are being forwarded to you thru another address..? No wait.. you couldn't > post > messages then.. forget that.. Hmm.. what about setting up a mail filter to > simply > delete any messages from this list until the problem is solved? > > ttyl > -Steve > -- > darklord@darknet.net | UIN: 5113616 > DarkNet Online: http://www.darknet.net > Digital Fusion: http://www.darknet.net/fusion From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 18 18:23:43 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA01091; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:19:14 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:19:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3589BD94.9C9@LCIA.COM> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 21:23:32 -0400 From: B25B@LCIA.COM (RON BRENNEN) Reply-To: B25B@LCIA.COM X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Ohm's law Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2B-DN.0.yG.FoRYr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4915 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com To J L Naudin and others who are excited about the possibility of OU on Newman's motor.Congratulations You have rediscovered Ohm's law. The strength of an electro magnet is based on ampere turns. Any coil can produce OU using Ohm's law. For example a coil with a resistance of say 3 ohms @ 6 volts (12 watts) with a pair of diodes and being pulsed will produce a back EMF. If the initial resistanc and voltage is maintained and the gage of wire is increased the back EMF will eventualy be more than the input. simple Ohm's law. Newman carried this to extremes when he drove an automobile with a 1 1/2 volt battery and a ton of copper wire Ron Brennen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 18 18:40:21 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA05383; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:37:57 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:37:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:32:16 -0600 (MDT) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Thomas LaVines In-Reply-To: <358AB107.592C60B5@ihug.co.nz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"VBvsn2.0.0K1.n3SYr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4916 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, John Berry wrote: Try subscribing yourself and then unsubscribing yourself, but I can't understand how you can post to the list? Steve wrote: > Hmm.. maybe someone subscribed you to this list using an email alias, so the -snip- > messages then.. forget that.. Hmm.. what about setting up a mail filter to And I still can't get ON Keely-net! (with out WinDOZE*95 sigh)... A Double subscribe.. might mean a triple UN-subscribe, that happened to me once, but it was obvious as I got TWO of every message. Maybe the lack of silence here is a sign - all is well (filtered, or finally filled in the file form fully for finalisation of freenrg-l :) -=se=- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 18 19:05:18 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA23126; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:56:17 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:56:17 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 21:36:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19980618205853.328f29ac@pop.mymail.net> X-Sender: sunbrite@pop.mymail.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael C Slivinski Subject: Re: Ohm's law Resent-Message-ID: <"dVh3k2.0.Gf5.1LSYr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4917 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello All, if what you are implying or if your calculations are true, why do we need a moving mechanical device. Could we capitalize on the counter emf voltage and charge caps with the excess voltage and hopefully more current. But... isn't their some type of phase relationship that comes into play where it is not voltage x current to get watts/time but some type of phase angle of current and voltage that give the true effective wattsage of a device?? thanks mike slivinski At 09:23 PM 6/18/98 -0400, you wrote: >To J L Naudin and others who are excited about the possibility >of OU on Newman's motor.Congratulations You have rediscovered Ohm's law. >The strength of an electro magnet is based on ampere turns. >Any coil can produce OU using Ohm's law. For example a coil with >a resistance of say 3 ohms @ 6 volts (12 watts) with a pair of diodes >and being pulsed will produce a back EMF. If the initial resistanc >and voltage is maintained and the gage of wire is increased the back >EMF will eventualy be more than the input. simple Ohm's law. >Newman carried this to extremes when he drove an automobile with a >1 1/2 volt battery and a ton of copper wire >Ron Brennen > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 18 19:18:53 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA12402; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:11:45 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:11:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980619020744.006cef00@mail.wincom.net> X-Sender: wood@mail.wincom.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:07:44 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wood Subject: Re: Thomas LaVines Resent-Message-ID: <"c2G0U2.0.e13.TZSYr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4918 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 05:17 PM 6/18/98 -0500, you wrote: >The reason I am sending these messages back is because I tried to get un >subscribed off of this list but They kept telling me that there is no >record of me being on this list. I've been thinking.Not to long ago I had trouble posting to the list. It turned out That I was sending out under 1 email address and the list server was looking for my other email address.You may have to go back into your email setup and change the address, send your unsubscribe message and then change your email address back to your prefered one.Of course this is if you do have 2 email addresses.If not I don't know how to help you. Woody From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 18 19:30:32 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA30288; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:27:01 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:27:01 -0700 Message-ID: <358AD6FA.87787F05@ihug.co.nz> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:24:11 -0700 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Thomas LaVines References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UQAxH2.0.AP7.rnSYr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4919 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Have you tried asking Jerry if he can put you on? Steve Ekwall wrote: > And I still can't get ON Keely-net! (with out WinDOZE*95 sigh)... > A Double subscribe.. might mean a triple UN-subscribe, that happened to me > once, but it was obvious as I got TWO of every message. > Maybe the lack of silence here is a sign - all is well (filtered, or > finally filled in the file form fully for finalisation of freenrg-l :) > -=se=- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 18 19:33:50 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA32027; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:31:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:31:40 -0700 From: trknute@earthlink.net Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980618093601.007d1c10@earthlink.net> X-Sender: trknute@earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:36:01 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Thomas LaVines In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980619020744.006cef00@mail.wincom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"sWvGG3.0.Lq7.BsSYr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4920 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I don't know about all of you but this is 30 or 40 e-mails I have gotten on this, unsubscribe thing. Can bill B. help him directly??????? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 18 19:37:31 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA16373; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:35:17 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:35:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <358AD83B.25FB3F92@ihug.co.nz> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:29:32 -0700 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: B25B@LCIA.COM, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Ohm's law References: <3589BD94.9C9@LCIA.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"k3Jmp3.0.h_3.WvSYr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4921 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Really? how do you increase gauge? is the back EMF collected by a different coil? but keep the resistance the same how? with more turns? John Berry RON BRENNEN wrote: > To J L Naudin and others who are excited about the possibility > of OU on Newman's motor.Congratulations You have rediscovered Ohm's law. > The strength of an electro magnet is based on ampere turns. > Any coil can produce OU using Ohm's law. For example a coil with > a resistance of say 3 ohms @ 6 volts (12 watts) with a pair of diodes > and being pulsed will produce a back EMF. If the initial resistanc > and voltage is maintained and the gage of wire is increased the back > EMF will eventualy be more than the input. simple Ohm's law. > Newman carried this to extremes when he drove an automobile with a > 1 1/2 volt battery and a ton of copper wire > Ron Brennen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 18 20:15:04 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA09130; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 20:11:27 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 20:11:27 -0700 Message-ID: <3589D662.4807@keelynet.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:09:22 -0500 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: KeelyNet-L@lists.kz CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Excellent Tesla and related patents (full Adobe files!!) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Cebmj1.0.IE2.URTYr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4922 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Folks! Fred Walters - fredw@mks.com was kind enough to post these amazing patents, please download, print them and pass them around to everyone you know...they are in .pdf (Adobe format) so you'll need Adobe to view and/or print...check out http://www.adobe.com to download the free .pdf VIEWING software...if you like them say thanks to Fred, this was NOT an easy job and he's not asking ANYTHING, just being a good guy, such a rare thing today where many try to capitalize or take credit for the work and efforts of others....this is rare stuff, jump on it; ===================== I've finally had the time to add the rest of the Tesla patents (that were recently mailed to me) to my Patents web-page: http://www.u36.com/~fredw/patents/index.htm Are there any USENET newsgroups that would be appropriate to post to about this? Here is the table of contents: Alternative Health Multiwave Oscillators US Patent #1962565 by George Lakhovsky (June 12, 1934) US Patent #2351055 by George Lakhovsky (June 13, 1944) Resonant Frequency (Rife) Devices US Patent Application by John Francis Crane (March 26, 1973); this patent application is useful for historical purposes, as it contains a partial history of Rife devices and a health-problem/frequency-list. Nikola Tesla British Patent 1,877 Improvements in Electric Lamps British Patent 2,801 Improvements in Reciprocating Engines and Means for Regulating the Period of the same British Patent 2,812 Improvements in Methods of and Apparatus for the Generation of Electric Currents of Defined Period British Patent 2,975 Improvements in Dynamo Electric Machines British Patent 6,481 Improvements relating to the Electrical Transmission of Power and to Apparatus therefor British Patent 6,502 Improvements relating to the Generation and Distribution of Electric Currents and to Apparatus therefor British Patent 6,527 Improvements relating to Electro-motors British Patent 8,200 Improvements relating to the Transmission of Electrical Energy British Patent 8,575 Improved Methods of and Apparatus for Generating and Utilizing Electric Energy for Lighting Purposes British Patent 11,293 Improvements relating to the Utilization of Electromagnetic, Light, or other like Radiations Effects or Disturbances transmitted through the Natural Media and to Apparatus therefor British Patent 11,473 Improvements in Alternating Current Electro-magnetic Motors British Patent 13,563 Improvements in, and relating to, the Transmission of Electrical Energy British Patent 14,550 Improvements relating to the Insulation of Electric Conductors British Patent 14,579 Improvements in and relating to the Transmission of Electrical Energy British Patent 16,709 Improvements relating to the Conversion of Alternating into Direct Electric Currents British Patent 19,420 Improvements in Alternating Current Electro-magnetic Motors British Patent 19,426 Improvements in the Construction and Mode of Operating Alternating Current Motors Canadian Patent 24,033 Improvements in Dynamo Electric Machines Canadian Patent 29,537 Improvements in Methods of and Apparatus for the Electrical Transmission of Power Canadian Patent 30,172 Improvements in Methods of and Apparatus for Converting and Distributing Electric Currents Canadian Patent 33,317 Improvements in Methods and Apparatus for Converting Alternating into Direct Currents Canadian Patent 135,174 Improvements in Fluid Propulsion (Tesla Pump) Canadian Patent 142,352 Improvement in the Art of Transmitting Electrical Energy Through the Natural Mediums -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 ICQ # - 13175100 / AOL - Keelyman KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 18 20:45:06 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA01775; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 20:42:44 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 20:42:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 21:36:53 -0600 (MDT) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Thomas LaVines In-Reply-To: <358AD6FA.87787F05@ihug.co.nz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"_l3Yy1.0.cR.muTYr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4923 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, John Berry wrote: Have you tried asking Jerry if he can put you on? Steve Ekwall wrote: > And I still can't get ON Keely-net! (with out WinDOZE*95 sigh)... Hi John, Yep :) I was his 5th user to sign-up, when he 1st set it up, he needs to UNsubscribe you too .. so when I had trouble he manually took the time to remove me, and said try again (& again).. I was also his 7th, 8th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 15th and 20's something user... I could receive mail, but not send it to the list...always got the message you have to subscribe first :( I (we) felt it must be my old machine here at fault. ~weird~, he was very kind in all his efforts & attempts to help. I can read 'em @ escribe.com now anyway. Thanks, Best to you & yours SeeYa, -=se=- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 18 21:54:43 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA20009; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 21:23:36 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 21:23:36 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <66a4df18.3589e621@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 00:16:32 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Thanks Jean-Louis, I understand voltage increase now Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"BUveW3.0.Uu4.8VUYr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4924 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 98-06-18 17:01:08 EDT, you write: << See the design of my Newman's commutator V1.0 at : http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlnaudin/html/qm11com.htm I hope that this will answer to your question, Sincerely, Jean-Louis >> Thank you Jean-Louis, I understand now. Regards, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 18 22:32:36 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA13783; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:30:55 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:30:55 -0700 (PDT) From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <86d4c8e0.3589f653@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:25:37 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Is it as simple as this Jean-Louis? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"EHbm01.0.HN3.DUVYr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4925 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Jean-Louis, Stefan, and all, Could the overunity operation of your Newman Motor be this simple? 1. You have a Newman coil with a rotating magnet inside. 2. You have two capacitors (or batteries) that are rated at say, 500 volts each. 3. One of these capacitors is discharged into the coil and the magnet is made to rotate and in the process a small amount of work is done at the drive shaft. 4. This work done by the shaft causes a resistance to the turning of the shaft and the maximun back emf induced by the rotating magnet into the coil is reduced and an additional amount of current flows in the coil. Lets say, 1 amp. 5. Now that is 500 watts of energy for the work being done at the shaft. (Minus heat in the coil, RF radiation, friction, ect.). Just a normal DC motor to this point. 6. Now when the magnet has turned 180 degrees, the circuit is reversed, and now is switched in series with the second capacitor for a total of 1000 volts. 7. The rotating magnet moving thru the next 180 degrees is what produces the 500 volts to be put in series with the second capacitor, for a total of 1000 volts as stated. No external work is done buy the shaft during this 180 degrees. 8. Now 1000 volts, times 1 amp, equals 1000 watts, thats 500 watts to recharge the first capacitor, and 500 watts left for overunity operation. 9. The second capacitor is left with a full charge because it's voltage never dropped below 500 volts and the amps leaving it were the same amount of amps going into it. 10. So we have work at the shaft, heat in the coil, RF radiation, friction in the bearings, aero-dynamic drag, and 500 watts of energy left to do work with, and both capicators fully charged. Am I getting this right? You don't have to spend time telling me every where that I'm wrong, Just a Yes, No, or your getting close will be fine, I know you guys are busy. I know there is much more detailed operation to this motor, but I want to keep the basic operation as simple as possible to help make it's basics clear to everyone. Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 18 23:55:53 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA04741; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 23:54:22 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 23:54:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 23:46:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806190646.XAA22550@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: vramos@ctv.es From: dave dameron Subject: Re: Bedini - Kromrey unit Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"KaFHU.0.u91.OiWYr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4926 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Vincente and all, I visited your site and read again about your Kromrey - Bedini unit. I have built a similar Kromrey unit, and don't see any ou with my first tests. The 2 stator coils are 500 turns each of No. AWG 22 wire. The 2 rotors each have 2 ceramic magnets approx. 2.2 x 5 cm x 1cm thick (Radio Shack), diameter about 15cm. The 2 coils with transformer lamination cores 2.2 x 2.2cm are mounted between the 2 rotors. The load I used was a 12 volt, 0.5A auto lamp. The driving motor was a 12 volt PM unit, directly driven using a piece of rubber hose as the coupler. I found, for example: Input power 10 watts produces approx 1200 rpm. With the coils and cores between the magnets, there isn't enough torque from the motor to start. With the magnets and coils 90 deg apart, starting is easy. With the 2 coils in series, I can light the bulb to normal brilliance. I estimate the peak voltage >20 volts (12 volts AC would be about 18 volts peak). My DVM does not give accurate voltage readings at this freq. There is significant back torque when under load, the motor rpm drops to about 800 rpm. No load Load Input 10 19 watts Output - 6 watts So the incremental efficiency = 6/9 = 66% If I short the coils, the rpm drops to <100 rpm due to the maximum coil generated back torque (max. coil current). I tried 2 configurations of rotors: 1) N-S and S-N, and 2) N-N and S-S with the coils phased differently. I also used a diode in series with the lamp load, in the N-N S-S case to permit cirrent to flow in the "approach" OR "exit" of the armature magnets to the 2 coils. In all cases, the incremental efficiency was about 2/3. >Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga >E-mail: vramos@ctv.es >Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm >Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN > -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 19 01:48:55 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA24673; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <358A24A5.B85AB90E@harti.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:43:18 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-list Subject: Re: Ohm's law References: <1.5.4.16.19980618205853.328f29ac@pop.mymail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"DcZud.0.R16.VMYYr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4927 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Michael C Slivinski wrote: > Hello All, if what you are implying or if your calculations are true, > why do we need a moving mechanical device. Could we capitalize on the > counter emf > voltage and charge caps with the excess voltage and hopefully more current. > > But... isn't their some type of phase relationship that comes into play where it > is not voltage x current to get watts/time but some type of phase angle of > current and > voltage that give the true effective wattsage of a device?? > thanks mike slivinski No, just a coil alone producing Back EMF will not work ! It is the magnet rotating inside or near the coil that does the trick in generating a higher induction generator voltage , which could be used to recharge the source ! > > > At 09:23 PM 6/18/98 -0400, you wrote: > >To J L Naudin and others who are excited about the possibility > >of OU on Newman's motor.Congratulations You have rediscovered Ohm's law. > >The strength of an electro magnet is based on ampere turns. > >Any coil can produce OU using Ohm's law. For example a coil with > >a resistance of say 3 ohms @ 6 volts (12 watts) with a pair of diodes > >and being pulsed will produce a back EMF. If the initial resistanc > >and voltage is maintained and the gage of wire is increased the back > >EMF will eventualy be more than the input. simple Ohm's law. > >Newman carried this to extremes when he drove an automobile with a > >1 1/2 volt battery and a ton of copper wire > >Ron Brennen > > > > > > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 19 01:49:43 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA03852; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:47:13 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:47:13 -0700 Message-ID: <015901bd9b5f$5ba0b8a0$1fe5afce@et-s> From: "Eric Tonkins" To: Subject: Re: Thomas LaVines Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:38:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"JY9-T3.0.1y.GMYYr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4928 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tom, (if your still with us) If I was you I would begin to wonder "what you are doing on this list" not ""why". The "why" you got put here is a mystery, but apparently it is for a reason. What do you have to offer the free energy community? Is it the opposite? Does the community have something to offer you? The most interesting times in life arise from those times that we've been waylaid and or held over. Sometimes the powers that be must force us to absorb what's right in front of us. Take a breath. Get into the list a little. Worst case scenario would be that you decided to ignore all posts from the list or use a mail filter like Steve suggested. BTW, why do you say: "I need off of this list" Why is the need so strong? Is your life so hectic that you can't have diversions? Maybe that's the "cosmic answer" you've been looking for. In any case. Best Wishes. Till Later, Eric Favorite Quote: " Wonderful times only happen to you if you show up. Unless you show up, you'll never have one ! " Eric Tonkins EMail: vegan@sprynet.com Internet: http://my.name.is/free$100drawing4you Voice / Fax: (702) 358-7681 Home Office: 634 Oakwood Dr. # 3, Sparks, NV 89431 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 19 02:45:50 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA03444; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 02:44:20 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 02:44:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <358A31A7.1D950D77@harti.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:38:47 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JNaudin509@aol.com CC: Stefan Hartmann , ddameron@earthlink.net, mrandall@earthlink.net, mrand910@yahoo.com, newman-list , freenrg-l Subject: New Newman start page uploaded ! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"M9GCp3.0.kr.oBZYr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4929 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi,my overunity server pages about Newman were a bit chaotic... I have cleaned up some mess and now you can reach my and others latest findings under this new Newman master page: http://www.overunity.com/nnew/index.htm Hope this helps to understand the technology of Joseph Newman much better. Best regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 19 05:13:08 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA21806; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 05:11:53 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 05:11:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980619090828.0097dbc0@pop.unb.ca> X-Sender: n706@pop.unb.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:08:28 +0100 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Stephen Manley Subject: Re: Is it as simple as this Jean-Louis? In-Reply-To: <86d4c8e0.3589f653@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"nPkIm2.0.dK5.6MbYr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4930 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 01:25 AM 6/19/98 EDT, you wrote: >Jean-Louis, Stefan, and all, > Could the overunity operation of your Newman Motor be this simple? >1. You have a Newman coil with a rotating magnet inside. >2. You have two capacitors (or batteries) that are rated at say, 500 volts >each. >3. One of these capacitors is discharged into the coil and the magnet is made >to rotate and in the process a small amount of work is done at the drive >shaft. >4. This work done by the shaft causes a resistance to the turning of the shaft >and the maximun back emf induced by the rotating magnet into the coil is >reduced and an additional amount of current flows in the coil. Lets say, 1 >amp. >5. Now that is 500 watts of energy for the work being done at the shaft. >(Minus heat in the coil, RF radiation, friction, ect.). Just a normal DC motor >to this point. >6. Now when the magnet has turned 180 degrees, the circuit is reversed, and >now is switched in series with the second capacitor for a total of 1000 volts. >7. The rotating magnet moving thru the next 180 degrees is what produces the >500 volts to be put in series with the second capacitor, for a total of 1000 >volts as stated. No external work is done buy the shaft during this 180 >degrees. >8. Now 1000 volts, times 1 amp, equals 1000 watts, thats 500 watts to recharge >the first capacitor, and 500 watts left for overunity operation. >9. The second capacitor is left with a full charge because it's voltage never >dropped below 500 volts and the amps leaving it were the same amount of amps >going into it. >10. So we have work at the shaft, heat in the coil, RF radiation, friction in >the bearings, aero-dynamic drag, and 500 watts of energy left to do work with, >and both capicators fully charged. > >Am I getting this right? >You don't have to spend time telling me every where that I'm wrong, Just a >Yes, No, >or your getting close will be fine, I know you guys are busy. >I know there is much more detailed operation to this motor, but I want to keep >the basic operation as simple as possible to help make it's basics clear to >everyone. >Thanks, >Butch Some comments: (I've seen a similar flaw in a OU device using tank capacitors.) Voltage != Power. You can have a very, very high voltage and little current, resulting in not much power. Power is = V * I, and can be caluclated through a subsitution with Ohm's Law, V = I R. (substitute V or I). e.g. P = I^2 * R This seems like and interesting expiment to try, but please, measure the current as well as the voltage produced. Back EMF discharges from coils are usually of a signifigant voltage. It sounds like the resistance/inductance of the coil is where you will be losing efficiency, combined with the commutators on the shaft. You will get a very high efficiency with this design, but I can't see it going over unity. Be weary of small OU effects; they are often the result of measurement error and/or measurements exceeding the resolution of the equipment used. Good luck, -- Steve Manley smanley@nyx.net http://www.nyx.net/~smanley From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 19 07:08:59 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA13006; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 07:00:20 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 07:00:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <358A6573.E5FD09EC@harti.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:19:47 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, Stephen Manley , newman-list Subject: Re: Is it as simple as this Jean-Louis? References: <3.0.2.32.19980619090828.0097dbc0@pop.unb.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1nlze.0.8B3.pxcYr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4931 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Stephen Manley wrote: > > > Some comments: (I've seen a similar flaw in a OU device using tank > capacitors.) > Voltage != Power. You can have a very, very high voltage and little current, > resulting in not much power. > > Power is = V * I, and can be caluclated through a subsitution with Ohm's Law, > V = I R. (substitute V or I). e.g. P = I^2 * R > > This seems like and interesting expiment to try, but please, measure the > current as well as the voltage produced. Back EMF discharges from coils are > usually of a signifigant voltage. > > It sounds like the resistance/inductance of the coil is where you will be > losing efficiency, combined with the commutators on the shaft. You will get > a very high efficiency with this design, but I can't see it going over unity. > Be weary of small OU effects; they are often the result of measurement error > and/or measurements exceeding the resolution of the equipment used. > > Good luck, > > -- > Steve Manley > smanley@nyx.net > http://www.nyx.net/~smanley Okay, folks here comes a proof in energy calculation. Lets just calculate in Wattsseconds and use CONSTANT values areas as an aproximation to avoid using integrals... Have a look again to: http://www.overunity.com/nnew/qmm11sc9.jpg JL is using an input pulse of maximum 7.5 mA for a duration of about 35 msec at a supply voltage of about 312 Volts. (he says it is just 275 Volts, but 220 Volts x 2(^1/2) is about 312 Volts peek voltage... and also his scope shows more supply voltage) This gives about 82 milliWattseconds input energy during one "firing" input pulse. If Jean Louis would finally design his commutator right, he could get as the electrical output as heat energy in his coil resistance: 600 Volts "freerun" generator Voltage - 312 Volts power supply = 288 Volts / 17223 Ohms DC resistance= 16.7 mA back current Now we use this back current to calculate the heat inside the DC resistance of the coil for about 20 milliseconds: I^2 x R x 20 milliseconds= 96 milliWattsseconds (20 milliseconds back-pulse duration could be got, if JL would switch his coil during position 3.5 to 4.5 back to his power supply) Have a look at the free run picture in: http://www.overunity.com/nnew/newman5.htm This alone is already 117% efficiency and you also still have mechanical rotor energy output and RF output as well... I hope JL can design his commutator right to proove this calculation by measuring it also ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 19 07:26:24 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA05736; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 07:22:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 07:22:38 -0700 From: alansch@zip.com.au (Alan Schneider) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Is it as simple as this Jean-Louis? Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:22:39 GMT Message-ID: <358c70d1.56478111@mail.zip.com.au> References: <3.0.2.32.19980619090828.0097dbc0@pop.unb.ca> <358A6573.E5FD09EC@harti.com> In-Reply-To: <358A6573.E5FD09EC@harti.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id HAA05708 Resent-Message-ID: <"H0fIT3.0.TP1.jGdYr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4932 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:19:47 +0200, Stefan Hartmann wrote: >This alone is already 117% efficiency and you also still have >mechanical rotor energy output and RF output as well... >I hope JL can design his commutator right to proove this calculation >by measuring it also ! This all sounds very well and good but the bottom line is, and always will be ... CAN YOU CLOSE THE LOOP AND HAVE THE DAMNED THING INDEFINITELY POWER ITSELF. Sorry to be a wet blanket, but if you can't do that, you can calculate and theorise until you're blue in the face but you ain't got overunity. Even if you can do that but are not able to extract useful, useable power, all you've really got is a laboratory curiosity, good only for confounding "establishment" scientists. I hope the device works as you claim it should, Stefan. I really do. But let's *PROVE* it by closing the loop before we shout too loudly. There have already been far too many designs, claimed by their developers to be overunity, which have later been proven not to be by careful and accurate measurements. Let's try not to add to this number. Alan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 19 11:02:59 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA04476; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:00:37 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:00:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <358AA645.3751C90E@harti.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:56:21 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Is it as simple as this Jean-Louis? References: <3.0.2.32.19980619090828.0097dbc0@pop.unb.ca> <358A6573.E5FD09EC@harti.com> <358c70d1.56478111@mail.zip.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5p5AP.0.o51.2TgYr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4933 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Alan Schneider wrote: > On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:19:47 +0200, Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > > > >This alone is already 117% efficiency and you also still have > >mechanical rotor energy output and RF output as well... > > >I hope JL can design his commutator right to proove this calculation > >by measuring it also ! > > This all sounds very well and good but the bottom line is, and > always will be ... > > CAN YOU CLOSE THE LOOP AND HAVE THE DAMNED THING INDEFINITELY > POWER ITSELF. I guess, I have now understood, how this could be done... > > > Sorry to be a wet blanket, but if you can't do that, you can > calculate and theorise until you're blue in the face but you > ain't got overunity. > > Even if you can do that but are not able to extract useful, > useable power, all you've really got is a laboratory curiosity, > good only for confounding "establishment" scientists. > > I hope the device works as you claim it should, Stefan. I > really do. But let's *PROVE* it by closing the loop before > we shout too loudly. > > There have already been far too many designs, claimed by their > developers to be overunity, which have later been proven not to > be by careful and accurate measurements. > > Let's try not to add to this number. Okay, but it was already proven by 1984, that the first big Newman machines were overunity by several high ranking scientiest and NASA people... Also I have seen output energy spikes that really had more energy than the total input, so the Newman machine will probably be the first commercial available OU machine soon, cause it is already in production ! :) It is only a few months away ! :) Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 19 11:09:55 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA05767; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:06:53 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:06:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806191803.PAA17257@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" Organization: Computec Ltda To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:04:22 -3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Ohm's law Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal In-reply-to: <358A24A5.B85AB90E@harti.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"3E_0l2.0.yP1.uYgYr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4934 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > > But... isn't their some type of phase relationship that comes into play where it > > is not voltage x current to get watts/time but some type of phase angle of > > current and voltage that give the true effective wattsage of a device?? > > thanks mike slivinski > > No, just a coil alone producing Back EMF will not work ! > > It is the magnet rotating inside or near the coil that does the trick in > generating a higher induction generator voltage , which could be used to > recharge the source ! > So we could say the higher back EMF is extracted from the rotor inertial rotation. But what if we load mechanically the rotor ? The back EMF voltage will drop so we have to choice between extracting back EMF voltage or torque ? --- Marcelo Puhl mark@plug-in.com.br From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 19 12:44:37 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA02339; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:32:47 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:32:47 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:31:47 EDT To: newman-l@emachine.com Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: I left out important power step! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"tZ8hf2.0.Ta.UphYr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4935 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi all, In my list of steps for the operartion of the Newman motor as I see it, I left out a very important power phase. Step 6 goes from the first 180 degree phase to the next 180 degrees of rotation where it acts as a generator. I left out the collapse of the magnetic field that was created during the first 180 degrees of rotation. As you know this is a very high voltage and and can be used to send back a recharging pulse to the battery (or capacitor). I wonder if not taking work from the shaft and just letting it free wheel during the first 180 degrees would make a better design? So we have, 1. First 180 degrees for adding kinetic energy to the rotor magnet. 2. Then collapse of the coil's magnetic field is pulsed to the battery for recharging. 3. Then 180 degrees of free wheel generator mode rotation with voltage going to the second battery to double the voltage that recharges battery # 1 4. Then the first 180 degree phase starts again to restore kinetic energy lost in the second phase 180 degree generator rotation. This loss is caused by drag on the rotor magnet due to a load on the circuit. I believe the 2 battery (or capicator) layout of Jean-Louis is the secret to o/u operation in the Newman motor/generator. It can be see at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlnaudin/html/qm11com.htm This sequence of events is by no means fact, but just a possible different way of operating the Newman motor/generator. It is a theory only, that I came up with. Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 19 12:57:11 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA28126; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:49:46 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:49:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <358AE8EF.4BC1@tiac.net> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:40:47 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Is it as simple as this Jean-Louis? References: <3.0.2.32.19980619090828.0097dbc0@pop.unb.ca> <358A6573.E5FD09EC@harti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"j8XbE1.0.Et6.N3iYr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4936 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Stefan Hartmann wrote: > Okay, folks here comes a proof in energy calculation. Proof cannot come from calculations. > Lets just calculate in Wattsseconds and use CONSTANT values areas as an > aproximation > to avoid using integrals... > > Have a look again to: > http://www.overunity.com/nnew/qmm11sc9.jpg > > JL is using an input pulse of maximum 7.5 mA for a duration of about 35 msec at a > supply > voltage of about 312 Volts. (he says it is just 275 Volts, but 220 Volts x 2(^1/2) > > is about 312 Volts peek voltage... > and also his scope shows more supply voltage) > > This gives about 82 milliWattseconds input energy during one "firing" input pulse. > > If Jean Louis would finally design his commutator right, he could get as the > electrical output > as heat energy in his coil resistance: > > 600 Volts "freerun" generator Voltage - 312 Volts power supply = 288 Volts / 17223 > > Ohms DC resistance= 16.7 mA Here is a signifigant error. The DC resistance is not as important as is the AC impedance! > back current > > Now we use this back current to calculate the heat inside the DC resistance of the > > coil for about 20 milliseconds: > > I^2 x R x 20 milliseconds= 96 milliWattsseconds This is incorrect, this is an AC case, we must use the impedance, including the high inductive reactance value, not the DC resistance alone. > (20 milliseconds back-pulse duration could be got, if JL would switch his coil > during position 3.5 to 4.5 back to his > power supply) > > Have a look at the free run picture in: > http://www.overunity.com/nnew/newman5.htm > > This alone is already 117% efficiency and you also still have mechanical rotor > energy output and RF output as well... If its working at 117% efficiency, then it will free run. Will it? (No.) > I hope JL can design his commutator right to proove this calculation by measuring > it also ! > > Regards, Stefan. > > -- > Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann > Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 > email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com > Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 19 15:49:01 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA04998; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:44:29 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:44:29 -0700 Message-Id: <199806192230.QAA24954@louise.dlcwest.com> From: "Plasmatic" To: "FREENRG Mailing List" Subject: Newman Device Info Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:30:53 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"UFXYX.0._D1.CdkYr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4937 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello all. Since I saw you all participating in the discussion of the Newman motor, and that it really is supposed to work, I was wondering if you could tell me where I could find some info on it. I haven't really even seen the timeline because at first I just ignored it, and I delete my messages each day (something I will change as of now :). I appreciate your help, and may this be the next step toward free eneregy :) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 19 15:57:06 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA06833; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:52:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:52:59 -0700 Message-ID: <358AEB36.278F6C0A@harti.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 00:50:30 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: smacgregor@aasp.net, newman-list , freenrg-l , jnaudin509@aol.com Subject: Re: Apples/Apples References: <3.0.2.32.19980619090828.0097dbc0@pop.unb.ca> <358A6573.E5FD09EC@harti.com> <358AA170.7CE1@aasp.net> <358AA375.884214C6@harti.com> <358AE7E1.3AC7@aasp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6fJQT.0.Og1.AlkYr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4938 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > > > Please clarify something for me. Across what load is this 600 volts > > > being measured? > > > > Across the coil resistance of about 17 KOhm.The inner resistance of this coil is this 17 KOhm... > > > > In this moment it just sees only the 17 KOhm, cause when the commutator > > puts it again to the battery voltage the battery acts as a capacitor, so the coil > > just sees in this moment the difference voltage 600 Volts minus 312 Volts =288 Volts and > > the inner coil resistance as the load ! > > > > Do you agree ??? > > Not really. What you're measuring is the instantaneous "potential" of > 600 volts. There is NO load, since there is no current flow. The coil is > OPEN except for the internal resistance of the measuring device. If > you're using a modern scope, that resistance is probably in the megohms. > So, current flow is in the micro-amp range. > > Try shunting your scope with a load resistor equal to the coil > resistance. This will divide the instantaneous voltage generated by the > magnet/coil in half by providing a current path. THEN, measure the > voltage and current flow. You did not understand what I really want to do ! As the coil is open there is a generator induction voltage produced by the rotating magnet inside the coil of a maximum amplitude of 600 Volts at position 4. (measured with a scope, 1 MOhm input) At this position I want to switch the coil accross a battery having 312 Volts. Now what does the coil see ? It sees a shortout and having an inner 17 KOhm DC resistance to its new ground (really 312Volts), it sees 288 Volts difference potential which is shorted out by its inner 17 KOhm resistance... So it has 288 Volts and sees a 17 KOhm load ! Thats all ! You can also do it totally different by accelerating the magnet rotor from position 2 to 2.5 only on one side of the coil and short out the coil via the commutator from position 3 to 5 , so you will get this whole energy back from this cos^2 pulse being induced at the other side of the coil and heat up with it the inner resistance of 17 KOHm. Here you also see, that you will get more energy out, when the DC resistance will be made smaller at the same number of windings !(thus using more pounds of wire, bigger diameter !) The only problem is, that this second way of getting electrical output will deaccelerate the rotor much more and it will decrease the RPM. But it is easier to design the commuator for this version and you could probably get a lot less RF noise bursts ! Hope this helps. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 19 16:00:01 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA08511; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:57:53 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:57:53 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <8d89f63.358aec83@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 18:56:02 EDT To: newman-l@emachine.com Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Can collapsing field Jerk copper-magnet? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"BqnOd1.0.t42.mpkYr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4940 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi all, The collapsing magnetic field around a Newman coil as you know collapses very fast. I wonder if copper wire were wrapped around the magnet-rotor in some fashion, could the circuit of copper stay open and then be closed just when the field is collapsed. The current flow in the wire would cause a drag on the magnet-rotor and "jerk" the magnet-rotor (increase it's speed) and then it could transfer this kinetic energy into electrical or mechanical energy. Just think of the size of some of the Newman coil magnetic fields and the force this could transfer to a magnet-rotor if indeed it is possible. Can a collapsing magnetic field drag a current carrying wire along with it? Comments please, Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 19 16:04:52 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA04757; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:57:38 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:57:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:55:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806192255.PAA22634@germany.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: Is it as simple as this Jean-Louis? Cc: leoguitar@vossnet.de Resent-Message-ID: <"YQKeP1.0.6A1.TpkYr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4939 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi All Newman interested people, At 03:19 PM 6/19/98 +0200, Stefan wrote: > >Okay, folks here comes a proof in energy calculation. >Lets just calculate in Wattsseconds and use CONSTANT values areas as an >aproximation >to avoid using integrals... > >Have a look again to: >http://www.overunity.com/nnew/qmm11sc9.jpg > >JL is using an input pulse of maximum 7.5 mA for a duration of about 35 msec at a >supply >voltage of about 312 Volts. (he says it is just 275 Volts, but 220 Volts x 2(^1/2) > >is about 312 Volts peek voltage... >and also his scope shows more supply voltage) > >This gives about 82 milliWattseconds input energy during one "firing" input pulse. > >If Jean Louis would finally design his commutator right, he could get as the >electrical output >as heat energy in his coil resistance: > >600 Volts "freerun" generator Voltage - 312 Volts power supply = 288 Volts / 17223 Ohms DC resistance= 16.7 mA >back current > This +/- 600 volts is the voltage with no current load (Just the oscilloscope probe). If you draw 16.7 mA, this will produce a stronger magnetic field than that of the 7.5 mA to "charge" the coil, and this will brake the rotor, as you are taking energy from it. The rotor will slow down, the rate depending on its angular momentum, until another equilibrium is reached. At this slower speed, the 7.5 mA will increase (less back EMF), and the 16.7 mA will decrease (Less voltage generated at a lower speed). What will be its efficiency then? Magnetic motor researchers and builders' dream is to decouple this braking field from the current drawn that is producing this field! Newman says (I think) he does this by getting around Lenz law. The BIG question in my mind, is can one do this? If one finds a way at least so the net energy is back from the coil, then one can recharge the capacitors and it would follow immediately that the unit will self run, maybe only needing batteries for the initial start! In fact the problem would be overcharging the capacitors until they break down, unless energy is drawn away by another load. If tests against it can be flawed (NBS), tests for it could be too. The proof is that it can operate ou, whatever a specific theory showed! Like airplanes can fly, in spite of any contrary tests, proofs, or theories. >Now we use this back current to calculate the heat inside the DC resistance of the > >coil for about 20 milliseconds: > >I^2 x R x 20 milliseconds= 96 milliWattsseconds > >(20 milliseconds back-pulse duration could be got, if JL would switch his coil >during position 3.5 to 4.5 back to his >power supply) > >Have a look at the free run picture in: >http://www.overunity.com/nnew/newman5.htm > > >This alone is already 117% efficiency and you also still have mechanical rotor >energy output and RF output as well... > >I hope JL can design his commutator right to proove this calculation by measuring >it also ! > Bob Shannon wrote: > >Here is a signifigant error. > >The DC resistance is not as important as is the AC impedance! Yes, but the 7.5 mA in input power may be reduced by the same amount too. But the 7.5 mA is measured (using whatever impedance there was), and the 16.7 mA is only calculated using D.C. resistance. So you may be right, both the charging and back currents both need to be measured, and these compared. I wish people Good luck in finding the true story! -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 19 16:27:47 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA10241; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:24:48 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:24:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <358AF24B.B4EE8F62@harti.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 01:20:43 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-list Subject: Re:Bob Shannon´s critique valid ??? References: <3.0.2.32.19980619090828.0097dbc0@pop.unb.ca> <358A6573.E5FD09EC@harti.com> <358AE8EF.4BC1@tiac.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0CDW61.0.xV2.-ClYr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4941 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Bob Shannon wrote: > Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > > > > Okay, folks here comes a proof in energy calculation. > > Proof cannot come from calculations. That is right. I hope JL can modify his commutator to get the facts measured... > > > > Lets just calculate in Wattsseconds and use CONSTANT values areas as an > > aproximation > > to avoid using integrals... > > > > Have a look again to: > > http://www.overunity.com/nnew/qmm11sc9.jpg > > > > JL is using an input pulse of maximum 7.5 mA for a duration of about 35 msec at a > > supply > > voltage of about 312 Volts. (he says it is just 275 Volts, but 220 Volts x 2(^1/2) > > > > is about 312 Volts peek voltage... > > and also his scope shows more supply voltage) > > > > This gives about 82 milliWattseconds input energy during one "firing" input pulse. > > > > If Jean Louis would finally design his commutator right, he could get as the > > electrical output > > as heat energy in his coil resistance: > > > > 600 Volts "freerun" generator Voltage - 312 Volts power supply = 288 Volts / 17223 > > > > Ohms DC resistance= 16.7 mA > > Here is a signifigant error. > > The DC resistance is not as important as is the AC impedance! > > > back current > > > > Now we use this back current to calculate the heat inside the DC resistance of the > > > > coil for about 20 milliseconds: > > > > I^2 x R x 20 milliseconds= 96 milliWattsseconds > > This is incorrect, this is an AC case, we must use the impedance, > including the > high inductive reactance value, not the DC resistance alone. As I have said above I use aproximations as rectangular areas under the pulses, so I don´t have to use integrals to calculate the energy areas, and this is a valid aproximation ! Also, as I use a commutator , which switches on and off only for these millisecs time intervals like a "window", thus this aproximation again is valid ! But I know, that you won´t agree with it, cause we already had a fight 2 years ago over it ! :) Anyway, I believe this is a valid aproximation. And the back pulse energy output in Newman´s biggest machine is real and it did prove it already 15 years ago ! > > > > (20 milliseconds back-pulse duration could be got, if JL would switch his coil > > during position 3.5 to 4.5 back to his > > power supply) > > > > Have a look at the free run picture in: > > http://www.overunity.com/nnew/newman5.htm > > > > This alone is already 117% efficiency and you also still have mechanical rotor > > energy output and RF output as well... > > If its working at 117% efficiency, then it will free run. Will it? > (No.) > Yes, now, as we know the real principle of operation it can now be scaledup very much and I now know how to optimize all parameters of this OU motor/generator ! :)But I agree with you that it would be great, if JL can also measure that, what Newman already had in 1984 , although with a much bigger coil and rotor ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 19 18:22:35 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA29986; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 18:21:16 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 18:21:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <358B0D78.9974AE69@harti.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 03:16:40 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: newman-list , freenrg-l Subject: New Newman index page update ! Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------03B592FD7B07031A3DC2640D" Resent-Message-ID: <"yaxQf.0.RK7.AwmYr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4942 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------03B592FD7B07031A3DC2640D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.overunity.com/nnew/index.htm -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net --------------03B592FD7B07031A3DC2640D Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii; name="index.htm" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="index.htm" Content-Base: "http://www.overunity.com/nnew/index.ht m" New Newman page
Understanding the secrets in the Newman Energy Machine
(motor/generator combination in one device)
 
 
 
 
Old Links for the introduction and a look at the pictures  

http://www.overunity.de/newman.htm 

http://www.overunity.de/newman2.htm 
 

Newman RealVideo Movie ( you need the free RealPlayer) 

http://www.overunity.de/movies/newman.ram 
 

Newman MPEG movies: 
 

http://www.overunity.com/movies/newm1.mpg 

http://www.overunity.com/movies/newm2.mpg 

http://www.overunity.com/movies/newm3.mpg 

http://www.overunity.com/movies/newm4.mpg 

http://www.overunity.com/movies/harti1.mpg 

http://www.overunity.com/movies/harti2.mpg 

http://www.overunity.com/movies/harti3.mpg 

http://www.overunity.com/movies/harti4.mpg 

http://www.overunity.com/movies/harti5.mpg 

http://www.overunity.com/movies/harti6.mpg 
 
http://www.overunity.com/movies/newmfan.mpg 
 
 

My own 3 build Newman machines 
 
http://www.overunity.com/nnew/newman3.htm 
 

The measurement results in my 3rd Newman model 
(still with an untuned (wrong ??) commutator setup) 

http://www.overunity.com/nnew/newman4.htm  
 

Uncovering the secrets in Newman machines 

http://www.overunity.com/nnew/newman5.htm  

Optimizing the commutator:

 http://www.overunity.com/nnew/newman6.htm

Newman´s own newer 2 pole motor design 

http://www.overunity.com/nnew/newmnew.gif 
 

A still better 4 pole motor design by Stefan Hartmann 

http://www.overunity.com/nnew/Mynewm.gif 
 

Is this the future of a selfrunner circuit ? 

http://www.overunity.com/nnew/Newmdc.gif 
 
 
Other scientists Newman pages: 

Jean Louis Naudin (France): 

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlnaudin/html/qmmv11.htm 
 
 
The Home of Joseph Newman: 

http://home.earthlink.net/~josephnewman 
 
--------------03B592FD7B07031A3DC2640D-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 19 18:29:18 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA01387; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 18:27:28 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 18:27:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <358B0780.C3DFBABC@harti.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 02:51:12 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: newman-list , freenrg-l Subject: The next page is up ! Commutator optimisation ! Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------6458B9BFFEE702DD505A798E" Resent-Message-ID: <"6xgy32.0.aL.y_mYr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4943 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------6458B9BFFEE702DD505A798E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.overunity.com/nnew/newman6.htm -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net --------------6458B9BFFEE702DD505A798E Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii; name="newman6.htm" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="newman6.htm" Content-Base: "http://www.overunity.com/nnew/newman6. htm" newman3
Understanding the secrets in Newman machines
 
 
Now I present the commutator modification Jean Louis Naudin (jnaudin509@aol.com)
should do to get a real better output of his motor !
 
 
As the reference I will again show this "free run" picture:
 
 
Hi JL,
can you please again modify your commutator to do it this way :
Please do it by firing (accelerating the magnet rotor) from position 2 to 2.5 only on one side of the coil
and short out the coil via the commutator from position 3 to 5  
(or also try 3.5 to 4.5 only !),
so you will get this whole energy back from
this sin^2 pulse being induced at the other side of the coil from position 3 to 5
and heat up with it the coil´s inner resistance of 17 KOhm
and let an incandescent bulb light up with it !

Here you can also see, that you will get more energy out, when the DC resistance will
be made smaller at the same number of windings ! Then the bulb will light brighter cause its
pre-resistance of 17 KOhm (coil DC resistance)  will be smaller 
(thus using more pounds of wire, bigger diameter !)
Thanks !
 
 
 
 
 
to be continued !
--------------6458B9BFFEE702DD505A798E-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 19 19:42:21 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA16143; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:40:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: bailey@shell14.ba.best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:43:35 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com (Freengr List) From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: The Institute for New Energy Web Site has been updated Resent-Message-ID: <"FZlha.0._x3.84oYr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4944 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com The Institute for New Energy Web Site has been updated at: http://www.padrak.com/ine/ Most New Data Files are at: http://www.padrak.com/ine/index.shtml#INE_RECENT All new revisions are in the file: http://www.padrak.com/ine/REVISIONS.html ------------- ------------------------------------------------------------ Date Included Additions, Expansions, or Revisions ------------- ------------------------------------------------------------ Jun. 19, 1998 Added: NEN TOC Vol. 6, No. 2, June 1998 INE 1998 Symposium: Tentative Schedule National Philosophy Alliance Conference Professor Yull Brown Dies Abstracts From ICCF-7, Part Two Transmutation Preliminary Results Paper Why DOE Is Stuck On Glass Plants Advanced Energy Conversion Theories, Devices, And Results Letter From Jerry Decker: Self-Running Lawnmower Engine Letter From Don Kelly: Gravity Drop Tests And Data Letter From P. 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Abstracts From ICCF-7 New Energy Partners Grant of US Patent 5,734,122 Ecological Energy Approach Torsion Field Research Letter From John Hutchinson: Research Summary Letter From Win Lambertson, Ph.D.: Follow The Money Updated: Subjects and Authors Site Counter = 238,048 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 20 02:41:37 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA23597; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 02:38:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 02:38:38 -0700 Message-ID: <358B82A4.A3C30EAE@harti.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 11:36:37 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: smacgregor@aasp.net, newman-list , freenrg-l , jnaudin509@aol.com, josephnewman@earthlink.net Subject: Re: Apples/Apples References: <3.0.2.32.19980619090828.0097dbc0@pop.unb.ca> <358A6573.E5FD09EC@harti.com> <358AA170.7CE1@aasp.net> <358AA375.884214C6@harti.com> <358AE7E1.3AC7@aasp.net> <358AEB36.278F6C0A@harti.com> <358B36CF.24A0@aasp.net> <358B10F3.196BDF30@harti.com> <3 58B4547.23F9@aasp.net> <358B2039.5CBC6E8D@harti.com> <358B533D.7B2A@aasp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kdivF.0.dm5.UCuYr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4945 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Scott MacGregor wrote: > Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > > > Scott MacGregor wrote: > > > > > Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You did not understand what I really want to do ! > > > > > > > > > > > > As the coil is open there is a generator induction voltage produced by the rotating magnet inside > > > > > > the coil of a maximum amplitude of 600 Volts at position 4. (measured with a scope, 1 MOhm input) > > > > > > > > > > Let's stop here for a moment. Your 1 MOhm scope is drawing 0.6ma from > > > > > the coil at this moment. To determine the amount of recharge current > > > > > available from the coil to recharge the battery, you need to "load" the > > > > > coil during this measurement with a load equal to the internal > > > > > resistance of the battery! I can say, with some certainty, that the > > > > > battery (power supply) has an output resistance in the 10's of Ohms. > > > > > > > > Yes, therefore the 10´s of Ohms don´t play any role versus the 17 KOhm ! > > > > and the coil > > > > just sees a shortout via its internal 17 KOhm resistance. > > > > The rotor in this moment induces 600 Volts into the coil - 312 Volts cap voltage= 288 Volts > > > > and thus 288 Volts / 17 Kohm will flow as the current in this moment. > > > > Very easy ! > > > > > > NOT AT ALL. You're saying that a HIGH impedance source (17k coil) is > > > capable of driving a LOW impedance load (10 Ohm battery)!! That's > > > backwards! If you want to transfer power to the battery, you need to > > > generate these kind of voltages and current in a LOW impedance > > > generator! You'd have to somehow change the resistance of the coil to 10 > > > or 20 Ohms at 600v! > > > > Well you almost got it! > > > > I don´t want to raise the cap voltage ! It should stay at 312 Volts ! > > > > I just want to draw 288 / 17 KOhm = 17 mA current inside the coil ! > > That´s it ! Nothing more. > > Stefan, > > That's just it!!! You no longer have 17K. Once you commute the coil to > the battery, you have a combined discharge path of 17K and 10 Ohms in > PARALLEL! No, in SERIES !!!! It is like having 2 caps one with 312 Volts and big capacitance (supply side) and one with 600 Volts (coil), smaller capacitance. Now you just connect both of them together via a 17 KOHm resistor (inner coil resistance). What will happen ? There will be a current flowing from the 600 Volts coil side to the 312 Volts supply side and the beginning value of the curent will be 288 Volts / 17 KOhm ! That is just it ! But it is easier to see the "!light" in my new commutator proposal at: http:/www.overunity.com/nnew/newman6.htm There you can see, how this positive sin^2 generator induction pulse can be used to get the energy directly out of the coil without going back to the battery... I hope this helps you to understand. Regards, Stefan. > It's the 17K that becomes unimportant! I assure you that the > coil voltage will drop to near zero. I think what you're trying to > accomplish is this: Using high voltage/low current sources,(Newman > coil) to drive high voltage/HIGH current sources.(battery) > > > Regards, > > > Scott MacGregor EES,Co. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 20 02:51:24 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA16237; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 02:50:15 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 02:50:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <358B84E1.E4AC3920@harti.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 11:46:10 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: smacgregor@aasp.net CC: freenrg-l , newman-list Subject: Re: Apples/Apples, better proposal ! References: <3.0.2.32.19980619090828.0097dbc0@pop.unb.ca> <358A6573.E5FD09EC@harti.com> <358AA170.7CE1@aasp.net> <358AA375.884214C6@harti.com> <358AE7E1.3AC7@aasp.net> <358AEB36.278F6C0A@harti.com> <358B36CF.24A0@aasp.net> <358B10F3.196BDF30@harti.com> <3 58B4547.23F9@aasp.net> <358B2039.5CBC6E8D@harti.com> <358B533D.7B2A@aasp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LqXzL.0.dz3.MNuYr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4946 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sorry the included link did not work. Here it is again: http://www.overunity.com/nnew/newman6.htm -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 20 09:12:33 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA03358; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 09:11:33 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 09:11:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <358BDD0A.7DA8CC0E@harti.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 18:02:18 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l , newman-list Subject: The final goal ! A selfrunner Newman machine online ! Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------0414423934332E1FF9E7995F" Resent-Message-ID: <"peQME1.0.Jq.nyzYr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4947 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0414423934332E1FF9E7995F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.overunity.com/nnew/newman7.htm -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net --------------0414423934332E1FF9E7995F Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii; name="newman7.htm" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="newman7.htm" Content-Base: "http://www.overunity.com/nnew/newman7. htm" newman3
Understanding the secrets in Newman machines
 
The final goal: A selfrunner Newman machine with mechanical and light output !
 
 
This is my proposal for a Newman selfrunner
with additional light and mechanical torque output.
It seems, that this can only be achieved by optimising
the coil parameters and design a coil that has a
Tau= L/R which is bigger than 1 !
So a selfrunner can only be got, if L/R > 1 !!!
 
As the reference I will again show this "free run" picture:
 
 
 
 
 
The commutator must be setup  this way :
Firing (accelerating the magnet rotor) from position 2 to 2.5 only 
(or position 1.5 to 2.2 , this still must be tried for optimum setup !)
on one side of the coil
and short out the coil via the commutator from position 3.5 to 4.5,
so you will get this energy back from
this sin^2 pulse being induced at the other side of the coil from position 3.5 to 4.5,
and charge up the capacitor again 
and let an incandescent bulb light up with it !
 
 
 
 
 
to be continued !
--------------0414423934332E1FF9E7995F-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 20 14:35:22 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA00804; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 14:13:58 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 14:13:58 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <6ed0ea29.358befa5@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 13:21:40 EDT To: newman-l@emachine.com Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Was question to hard to answer? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"_gsTv2.0.OC.LO2Zr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4948 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Can a collapsing magnetic field, drag a current carrying wire along with it?< This question must be to simple for anyone to want to bother with it, or to hard for anyone to answer. I have to assume that as easy as it is to hit the reply button and type yes or no, that people simply don't know the answer. If anyone does, please comment. Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 20 15:07:46 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA31622; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 15:06:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 15:06:07 -0700 From: Keasy@aol.com Message-ID: <1f28d11f.358c31e5@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 18:04:20 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Was question to hard to answer? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"06DIh.0.sj7.D93Zr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4949 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 6/20/98 2:35:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, HLafonte@aol.com writes: << >Can a collapsing magnetic field, drag a current carrying wire along with it?< This question must be to simple for anyone to want to bother with it, or to hard for anyone to answer. I have to assume that as easy as it is to hit the reply button and type yes or no, that people simply don't know the answer. If anyone does, please comment. Thanks, Butch >> Butch, Theory says that the force on a wire caused by a magnetic field depends only on the magnitude of the field and the magnitude of the current: ( I L X B ), where I is the current magnitude, L is the length of the current we are talking about, B is the magnitude of the field, and " X " represents the sine of the angle between the current and field directions. The point is that the force does NOT depend on whether either or both the current and field are changing. Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 20 15:08:13 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA31835; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 15:06:34 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 15:06:34 -0700 Message-ID: <358C2CDB.96FB089D@harti.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:42:51 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JNaudin509@aol.com CC: Stefan Hartmann , ddameron@earthlink.net, mrandall@earthlink.net, mrand910@yahoo.com, HLafonte@aol.com, Wolf-Dietrich Bauer , newman-list , freenrg-l Subject: Re: Stefan's test done wrong.... References: <4ed8a5d1.358c24f7@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"x1iE_1.0.3n7.d93Zr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4950 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com JNaudin509@aol.com wrote: > Hi All, > > On 20/06/1998 21:16:15 , harti@harti.com wrote : > << > Thank you very much Jean Louis. > > Which test did you do ? > newman6.htm or newman7.htm from my web server ?>> > > Newman6.htm > --------------------- > << Please can you also report the conditions of this test ? > > > Supply Voltage ?>> > About 600V, in my scope pic for the input, I have wrote 100V, this is an error > I have used my two power in series. > > I have updated this at : > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlnaudin/html/NMsh0620.htm > > ---------------- > << RPM ?>> > > 280mS by turn this give me 214 RPM > > ----------------- > <> > > I have used a small neon lamp > > ------------------- > << Did you just short out the coil with the recovery pulse segment ?>> > The segment used for the recovery, short the coil to the small neon lamp with > a 100 ohms resistor for measuring the current. There is a 820k res in the neon > lamp (in series) Aha, I see, this is WRONG ! It must be shorted via a few Ohms load only, like an incandescent bulb ! This is also the reason, your current is so low...I just wondered why... > > > ------------------- > << Or did you switch a load to the coil ? > Did you use a bulb as I indicated in my newman6.htm ? > > Did the bulb light up ? > >> > If I put a simple light bulb (12V/5w) the rotor slows quickly and stops after > few seconds > Okay, then you have to make the recover shortout segment shorter (less width !)until it still rotates ! make it from position 3.8 to 4.2 only ! Or you can also try to shift and fix the commutator in 10 degrees steps on your shaft, to see, where the optimal position for the commutator is with this setup ! Remember to use your simple light bulb (12V/5w) only for the shortout of the coil ! Regards, Stefan. > Sincerely, > > Jean-Louis -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 20 15:10:17 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA32625; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 15:08:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 15:08:09 -0700 Message-ID: <358C0DC6.23C55E84@harti.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 21:30:14 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stefan Hartmann CC: JNaudin509@aol.com, ddameron@earthlink.net, mrandall@earthlink.net, mrand910@yahoo.com, HLafonte@aol.com, newman-list , freenrg-l Subject: Re: New Newman confirmation ! Great ! References: <358C0ACD.731DD77E@harti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bisPa3.0.Uz7.8B3Zr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4951 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Here is the most important fact: http://www.hyperinfo.ca/~LivingAtom+/07.03.html I quote: "When the magnet-rotor rotated, we found some amazing results. The battery seems to be rather charged than discharged!! The needle of a two-way ammeter oscillated around the neutral position, and when we measured the average current, we found it to have a negative value. This amazing observation was similarly made by Mr. Newman, as well as the two scientists who evaluated the performance of his device (Dr. Roger Hastings and Michael Meatyard). They used a dual-trace oscilloscope to record the negative input power. " End of quote Stefan Hartmann wrote: > Hi all, > > please have a look at: > > http://www.hyperinfo.ca/~LivingAtom+/07.01.html > > and following pages ! > > It confirms OU of a rebuild Newman device of this author ! > > Regards, Stefan. > > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 20 15:41:31 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA18494; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 15:39:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 15:39:40 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980620223751.006d87ac@mail.wincom.net> X-Sender: wood@mail.wincom.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 18:37:51 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wood Subject: Re: Was question to hard to answer? Resent-Message-ID: <"jHsb-.0.mW4.he3Zr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4952 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 01:21 PM 6/20/98 EDT, you wrote: >>Can a collapsing magnetic field, drag a current carrying wire along with it?< >This question must be to simple for anyone to want to bother with it, or to >hard for anyone to answer. I have to assume that as easy as it is to hit the >reply button and type yes or no, that people simply don't know the answer. >If anyone does, please comment. >Thanks, >Butch Don't ask me I'm 2 points dumber than a dandelion Woody From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 20 16:00:35 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA29129; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 15:58:53 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 15:58:53 -0700 Message-ID: <358C3E36.CE52513B@harti.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 00:56:54 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: newman-list , freenrg-l Subject: [Fwd: newman´s coil parameter comparison !] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------A3F834F0B1379881D268E1B4" Resent-Message-ID: <"ILILh.0.077.iw3Zr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4953 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A3F834F0B1379881D268E1B4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net --------------A3F834F0B1379881D268E1B4 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline >From harti@harti.com Sun Jun 21 00:55:27 1998 Received: by pop3.vossnet.de from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Sun, 21 Jun 1998 00:55:27 +0200 Received: by pop3.vossnet.de from cache.hb.vossnet.de (195.90.193.132::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.6); Sun, 21 Jun 1998 00:55:27 +0200 Received: from harti.com (b65.b.vossnet.de [195.182.121.65]) by cache.hb.vossnet.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA13677; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 06:52:13 +0200 Message-ID: <358C3C98.92D5E6F7@harti.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 00:50:00 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: "Stefan Hartmann" Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JNaudin509@aol.com CC: "Stefan Hartmann" , ddameron@earthlink.net, mrandall@earthlink.net, mrand910@yahoo.com, HLafonte@aol.com, josephnewman@earthlink.net Subject: newman´s coil parameter comparison ! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, another thing to know: If you have a Newman-coil with e.g. 10000 windings and 10 Kohm DC resistance and this motor runs on 500 Volts supply at e.g. 250 RPM. Now if you increase the wire diameter , so that the DC resistance is only 1 Kohm, but still have 10000 windings. and decrease slightly the input voltage, so you still have 250 rpm, then it can generate much more electrical output power, when the coil is shorted out during position 3.5 to 4.5 ! The light bulb will light up brighter ! Also if you leave the supply voltage at 500 Volts, it will rotate faster but will not use much more input current, cause the counter induced tension (EMF voltage) of the rotating magnet reduces the input current accordingly ! So also by reducing the commutator firing segment width you can make the motor more and more efficient, by using bigger wire diameter at the same input voltage, thus keeping the RPM constant and getting a higher electrical output via the constant shortout segment. Best regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net --------------A3F834F0B1379881D268E1B4-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 20 16:07:43 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA14789; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 16:06:04 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 16:06:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 16:03:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806202303.QAA21939@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: Was question to hard to answer? Collapsing magnetic field Resent-Message-ID: <"kZEDb.0.xc3.P14Zr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4954 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 01:21 PM 6/20/98 EDT, Butch wrote: >>Can a collapsing magnetic field, drag a current carrying wire along with it?< >This question must be to simple for anyone to want to bother with it, or to >hard for anyone to answer. I have to assume that as easy as it is to hit the >reply button and type yes or no, that people simply don't know the answer. >If anyone does, please comment. Can your elaborate on your question? Is the current in the current carrying wire generated by the collapsing magnetic field? Besides, a current carrying wire will have its own magnetic field, and thus will have a force from other magnetic fields, which could be static, not just collapsing or changing. It sounds like you are asking something else than this, though... -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 20 16:14:59 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA02040; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 16:13:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 16:13:57 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <50e5564.358c41ec@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 19:12:43 EDT To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Cc: newman-l@emachine.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Was question to hard to answer?(from Stefan) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"X0H-M2.0.kV.q84Zr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4955 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 98-06-20 17:47:47 EDT, you write: << > >Can a collapsing magnetic field, drag a current carrying wire along with it?< > What do you mean by this ??? Does it mean, your vanishing magnetic field wants to pull the wire with it into one direction ? >> Hi Stefan, Yes, Look at it this way. If you had a big Newman type coil, with a magnetic field built around it, and you had a closed loop of wire off to the side of the coil, and as the COLLAPSING magnetic field of the Newman type coil induced a voltage/current in the loop of wire, would the wire be pulled toward the coil? The small loop of wire is just hanging there on a string. The magnetic field of the coil cuts thru only half of the closed loop wire so voltage/current will be in on one direction in the wire loop. The closed loop of wire and the Newman coil are not connected in any way and are two seperate objects. Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 20 16:48:47 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA10127; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 16:47:41 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 16:47:41 -0700 Message-ID: <01BD9C7B.9282D480@pm3-141.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: Polarization modulation Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 18:45:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PJmOo3.0.sT2.Se4Zr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4956 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello all: Question: How can I polarization modulate a beam of light? Thanks, Kyle R. mcallister Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net Phone: 228-875-0629 http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/5257 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 20 17:03:36 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA11512; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 16:59:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 16:59:52 -0700 Message-ID: <01BD9C7D.468C8060@pm3-141.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: Polarization modulation Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 18:57:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD9C7D.468C8060" Resent-Message-ID: <"S96G11.0.op2.up4Zr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4957 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD9C7D.468C8060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Kyle R. Mcallister [SMTP:stk@sunherald.infi.net] Sent: Saturday, June 20, 1998 6:45 PM To: 'freenrg-l@eskimo.com' Subject: Polarization modulation >Hello all: >Question: >How can I polarization modulate a beam of light? Forgot to ask this: Also, how can I polarization modulate radio waves? Kyle R. 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Mcallister [SMTP:stk@sunherald.infi.net] >Sent: Saturday, June 20, 1998 6:45 PM >To: 'freenrg-l@eskimo.com' >Subject: Polarization modulation > >>Hello all: > >>Question: > >>How can I polarization modulate a beam of light? Some kind of electro-optical cell like a Kerr cell? Don't know much about these. > >Forgot to ask this: > >Also, how can I polarization modulate radio waves? Feed one antenna with RF and feed another at a 90 deg. angle with 90 degphase shifted RF to get circular polarization. If one of the RF signals was amplitude modulated or switched on/off, you would go from linear to circular polarization. But can you say what you mean by polarization modulate? the polarization angle being modulated, maybe? -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 21 04:28:53 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA04218; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 04:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 04:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <358CEC08.8BDC99FF@harti.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 13:18:33 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l , newman-list , Jean Louis Naudin Subject: New Newman page online ! Scope pics verify OU ! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CG8hL2.0.o11.nuEZr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4959 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com http://www.overunity.com/nnew/newman8.htm Check this out ! It explains the older Newman motor/generator units in detail and how it works ! -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 21 07:15:17 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA31505; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 07:13:25 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 07:13:25 -0700 Message-ID: <19980621140924.2011.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 07:09:24 -0700 (PDT) From: DAN BRYANT Subject: Re: Was question to hard to answer? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"qKjjV2.0.7i7.4KHZr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4960 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ---wood wrote: > > At 01:21 PM 6/20/98 EDT, you wrote: > >>Can a collapsing magnetic field, drag a current carrying wire along with it?< > >This question must be to simple for anyone to want to bother with it, or to > >hard for anyone to answer. I have to assume that as easy as it is to hit the > >reply button and type yes or no, that people simply don't know the answer. > >If anyone does, please comment. > >Thanks, > >Butch > > if the wire is a magnetic material it might > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 21 07:45:31 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA25542; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 07:43:00 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 07:43:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 10:16:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19980621093827.0e27dcbc@pop.mymail.net> X-Sender: sunbrite@pop.mymail.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael C Slivinski Subject: Re: Was question to hard to answer? Resent-Message-ID: <"4r0Wg2.0.0F6.plHZr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4961 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > >---wood wrote: >> >> At 01:21 PM 6/20/98 EDT, you wrote: >> >>Can a collapsing magnetic field, drag a current carrying wire >along with it?< >> >This question must be to simple for anyone to want to bother with >it, or to >> >hard for anyone to answer. I have to assume that as easy as it is >to hit the >> >reply button and type yes or no, that people simply don't know the >answer. >> >If anyone does, please comment. >> >Thanks, >> >Butch >> Hello All, Do we win a prize if we answer right???? Gee, under what conditions is this scenerio acting in??? On earth/in earths magnetic field, or in free space? Ideal conditions ( free space, just the wire and current) yes their would be movement of wire? I can explain one answer? But... do you know or have one or many answers??? mike slivinski From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 21 07:59:10 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA29555; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 07:57:35 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 07:57:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01BD9CFA.60A31720@pm3-121.gpt.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: Polarization modulation Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 09:52:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD9CFA.60AC3EE0" Resent-Message-ID: <"Bu-yX1.0.aD7.SzHZr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4962 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD9CFA.60AC3EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- From: dave dameron[SMTP:ddameron@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, June 20, 1998 11:58 PM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: Polarization modulation >>Also, how can I polarization modulate radio waves? >Feed one antenna with RF and feed another at a 90 deg. angle with 90 >degphase shifted RF to get circular polarization. If one of the RF = signals >was amplitude modulated or switched on/off, you would go from linear to >circular polarization. >But can you say what you mean by polarization modulate? the = polarization >angle being modulated, maybe? >-Dave Not sure of the angle. Its this paper by H.D. Froning and T.W. Barrett: http://www.unitelnw.com/fronbart.htm Also: any ideas on how to create an extremely intense A-vector field = distortion? This is also mentioned int the paper. I wonder what HF AC = would do run through a toroid solenoid.=20 Note: I'm still investigating the GRC, but I've been delayed due to my = superconductor experiments. Kyle R. 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References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ct93y3.0.Zk4.1OLZr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4963 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi all, does anybody have a good description of an easy to build prony brake to measure mechanical output ?? URL ? Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 21 12:12:32 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA13757; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 12:11:28 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 12:11:28 -0700 (PDT) From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Newman Device Info Message-ID: <19980621.151056.7679.1.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <199806192230.QAA24954@louise.dlcwest.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-12,14-17 Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 15:08:35 EDT Resent-Message-ID: <"svEUv3.0.qM3.UhLZr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4964 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:30:53 -0600 "Plasmatic" writes: >Hello all. Since I saw you all participating in the discussion of the >Newman motor, and that it really is supposed to work, I was wondering >if you >could tell me where I could find some info on it. I haven't really >even >seen the timeline because at first I just ignored it, and I delete my >messages each day (something I will change as of now :). I appreciate >your >help, and may this be the next step toward free eneregy :) > > Simply check out Stefan Hartman's or J.L. Naudin's site. Also< Newman has a site but I don't have the URL handy. Steve Heckman > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 21 19:28:28 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA07615; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 19:25:02 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 19:25:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01BD9D5A.63218300.stk@sunherald.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: Ring laser gyro Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 21:20:16 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3Ba18.0.us1.s1SZr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4965 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello all: Anyone here know how I can set up a ring laser gyro? Thanks, Kyle R. Mcallister Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net Phone: 228-875-0629 http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/5257 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 21 22:20:20 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA14526; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:19:05 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:19:05 -0700 (PDT) From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 01:16:11 EDT To: newman-l@emachine.com Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Is pulse timing 50% incorrect? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"peoJV3.0.uY3.7bUZr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4966 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Jean-Louis, Stefan, and all, A few years ago Evan put a letter I wrote on the list, and one part of it dealt with the current PULSE and electron drift in a single wire loop, who's power source was a dc battery. After talking with many college physics professors and professors of electrical engineering, they said that my theory was correct with respect to the behavior of the current PULSE in this loop when the switch was closed in this circuit. Everyone talks of the current PULSE in a coil made up of 50 miles of wire taking a certain amount of time to go from the negative terminal of the battery to the positive terminal. This is not the case! The switch is closed and a current pulse (not electron drift) starts at the negative terminal and ALSO a pulse starts in the opposite direction from the positive terminal and the two meet half way down the length of wire, even if it is 50 miles long. The atoms and electrons in the wire at the positive terminal do not just sit there when the switch is closed, waiting for the pulse to come around from the negative terminal. A PULSE starts into the battery and works backwards up the wire to meet the pulse coming from the negative terminal. So when the switch is closed, the time for the pulse to develope a magnetic field in the coils full length is not the time for the pulse to travel 50 miles but 25 miles! Is this a factor that needs to be calculated when setting the length of the pulses in the Newman Motor/Gererator? Comments please, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 21 22:48:37 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA19795; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:47:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "Chris Malcheski" To: Subject: Atoms Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 23:44:56 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980622054444.VEYZ13513@dialup.csn.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"l3W8v1.0.Cr4.l_UZr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4967 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi All, I've been on this list for years and I think I've posted something once or twice (maybe?). Something has been bothering me for years, and I thought I would put it out and see what kind of ideas came up. I never could buy the theory of a "strong" and "weak" force. I think the Bohr model of the atom is all wrong in this area. I'm terribly deficient in my knowledge of the finer details of atomic theory, but I just can't reconcile the limit of 2 electons in the innermost shell. This would fit if the orbit were elliptical, but then it should hold true for all shells. If the orbit were circular, it would make no sense to have this kind of imbalance. Assuming the limit of 2 electrons is valid, there has to be a reason - some kind of material or force keeping the rest out. Consider that physically there can be no such force as a "pull." It's all the way we frame it and reference it, but there can be no pull. If you place your hand on a door handle and "pull," the handle itself is actually experiencing a push at the exact point of contact with your fingers. There can only be force or matter pushing or displacing; there can be no pull. Even a household vacuum does not pull dirt up - the outside air pressure pushes inward in response to the drop in pressure inside the device. So .. there's no such thing as a "pull." So what's commonly called the "strong force," in reality, can only be one thing: some force or "material" pushing the electrons inward. For this flow to continue, it would have to have an "inlet" somewhere in the nucleus - either that, or this "current" bounces off the nucleus and heads back outward at some point, which theoretically would demolish the theory of orbiting electrons and suggest stationary positioning. Then we come back to the limit of two electrons in the innermost shell. The only things I can think of to explain this are either a) very directional and contained "currents," or b) the electrons themselves are not spherical but semi-circular (or some deviation thereof) and they each occupy 1/2 of the space allowed in the innermost shell. Next, we come to : why are there shells at all? The "current" theory falls apart here. There would have to be some limiting force that created "valleys" (so to speak) where orbits were taken up. Maybe the flow inward would be a wave, where the peaks and valleys accounted for the various shells. Are all shells equidistant from each other? But this valley would move, and the orbits would never be stable. The only thing that even begins to fit is something I read once, years ago, and I'll never remember where: electrons are vortices that emit ether. The nucleus contains opposite "polarity" vortices that collect the ether. Out through the electrons, in through the nuclues. This idea would fit the idea of shells, orbits, and electron limits. The currents out of the second shell's electrons would limit the areas where 1st shell electrons could exist. Again, I'm far from an expert on these matters, and every idea I've put forth is just extremely basic speculation. I'm open to hearing any ideas anybody has. My thoery is, if things are understood at this level, the idea of free energy would be a lot easier to figure out. My opinion is that it's best to start at the basic level of matter and energy, and work "up" from there, just as it's a lot easier to build a Pentium chip if you start with a good knowledge of transistors. -- Chris From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 21 22:51:11 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA20560; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:47:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806220547.WAA08181@italy.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: Is pulse timing 50% incorrect? Resent-Message-ID: <"07fti.0.415.72VZr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4968 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Butch and all, At 01:16 AM 6/22/98 EDT, you wrote: >Hi Jean-Louis, Stefan, and all, > A few years ago Evan put a letter I wrote on the list, and one part of it >dealt with the current PULSE and electron drift in a single wire loop, who's >power source was a dc battery. > After talking with many college physics professors and professors of >electrical engineering, they said that my theory was correct with respect to >the behavior of the current PULSE in this loop when the switch was closed in >this circuit. > Everyone talks of the current PULSE in a coil made up of 50 miles of wire >taking a certain amount of time to go from the negative terminal of the >battery to the positive terminal. This is not the case! The switch is closed >and a current pulse (not electron drift) starts at the negative terminal and >ALSO a pulse starts in the opposite direction from the positive terminal and >the two meet half way down the length of wire, even if it is 50 miles long. > The atoms and electrons in the wire at the positive terminal do not just sit >there when the switch is closed, waiting for the pulse to come around from the >negative terminal. A PULSE starts into the battery and works backwards up the >wire to meet the pulse coming from the negative terminal. > So when the switch is closed, the time for the pulse to develope a magnetic >field in the coils full length is not the time for the pulse to travel 50 >miles but 25 miles! > Is this a factor that needs to be calculated when setting the length of the >pulses in the Newman Motor/Gererator? >Comments please, >Butch > I think these are current Steps, not pulses, a minor point, that is until the switch is opened. Can you define what a current pulse is, saying it isn't current drift. If it's a wave that can travel at the speed of light, then 50 miles or 80km are travelled in about 260uS, much faster than any mechanical rotation switching on times. 130uS for your example when they meet at the middle, but does that have any effect at the terminals until another 130 uS? Is it true that if the switch is in the negative lead, the positive terminal cannot know the switch is closed because of the delay through the wire, but it sees the effect directly through the charges in the battery itself? The inductor time constant seems more related to the pulse times in a Newman coil to me. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 22 00:47:30 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA08222; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 00:46:22 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 00:46:22 -0700 (PDT) From: trknute@earthlink.net Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980621144823.007cf290@earthlink.net> X-Sender: trknute@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:48:23 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Atoms In-Reply-To: <19980622054444.VEYZ13513@dialup.csn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"mcFwq3.0.N02.ClWZr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4969 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 11:44 PM 6/21/98 -0600, you wrote: >Hi All, > >I've been on this list for years and I think I've posted something once or >twice (maybe?). Something has been bothering me for years, and I thought I >would put it out and see what kind of ideas came up. > >I never could buy the theory of a "strong" and "weak" force. I think the >Bohr model of the atom is all wrong in this area. I'm terribly deficient >in my knowledge of the finer details of atomic theory, but I just can't >reconcile the limit of 2 electons in the innermost shell. This would fit >if the orbit were elliptical, but then it should hold true for all shells. >If the orbit were circular, it would make no sense to have this kind of >imbalance. Assuming the limit of 2 electrons is valid, there has to be a >reason - some kind of material or force keeping the rest out. > >Consider that physically there can be no such force as a "pull." It's all >the way we frame it and reference it, but there can be no pull. If you >place your hand on a door handle and "pull," the handle itself is actually >experiencing a push at the exact point of contact with your fingers. There >can only be force or matter pushing or displacing; there can be no pull. >Even a household vacuum does not pull dirt up - the outside air pressure >pushes inward in response to the drop in pressure inside the device. So >.. there's no such thing as a "pull." > >So what's commonly called the "strong force," in reality, can only be one >thing: some force or "material" pushing the electrons inward. For this >flow to continue, it would have to have an "inlet" somewhere in the nucleus >- either that, or this "current" bounces off the nucleus and heads back >outward at some point, which theoretically would demolish the theory of >orbiting electrons and suggest stationary positioning. > >Then we come back to the limit of two electrons in the innermost shell. >The only things I can think of to explain this are either a) very >directional and contained "currents," or b) the electrons themselves are >not spherical but semi-circular (or some deviation thereof) and they each >occupy 1/2 of the space allowed in the innermost shell. > >Next, we come to : why are there shells at all? The "current" theory falls >apart here. There would have to be some limiting force that created >"valleys" (so to speak) where orbits were taken up. Maybe the flow inward >would be a wave, where the peaks and valleys accounted for the various >shells. Are all shells equidistant from each other? But this valley would >move, and the orbits would never be stable. > >The only thing that even begins to fit is something I read once, years ago, >and I'll never remember where: electrons are vortices that emit ether. The >nucleus contains opposite "polarity" vortices that collect the ether. Out >through the electrons, in through the nuclues. This idea would fit the >idea of shells, orbits, and electron limits. The currents out of the >second shell's electrons would limit the areas where 1st shell electrons >could exist. > >Again, I'm far from an expert on these matters, and every idea I've put >forth is just extremely basic speculation. I'm open to hearing any ideas >anybody has. My thoery is, if things are understood at this level, the >idea of free energy would be a lot easier to figure out. My opinion is >that it's best to start at the basic level of matter and energy, and work >"up" from there, just as it's a lot easier to build a Pentium chip if you >start with a good knowledge of transistors. > >-- Chris > > >Dear Chris, Yes, Yes, Yes. I applaud your efforts to look at a rather complex issue regardless of your formal understanding. Knowledge to be of true value, must be comprehendible. It is my belief that many personal scientific careers have been based solely on the ability to offer questions that are so obscure, as that no one can prove or disprove the concept. Think of all the billions of dollars that have been spent on smashing atoms in these giant particle accelerators. The most difficult task in this was to develop a film medium fast enough to even trace the result of such an impact. Could simple reasoning have replaced this great effort, and for the cost of good tuna sandwich? (Tuna, a good source of brain food) The basic concept of the Atom, is Greek. A deduction of an observation that, mater is solid, and if it were solid, it should stop the balde of a knife, as it passed through an apple. Empirical information demonstrates that an apple can be cut by a knife. The deduction thereby was that 'mater' must be comprised of particles, infinitely small, in that there would be an infinite amount of space around the particles, allowing the knife to pass through. Atomos, or "small of small" was the, theory borne that day, 2,500 years ago. I do not criticize the development of theoretical models, only our own ease with which we accept them as fact. Speculative investigation fuels science, but it is a poor researcher that does not encourage others to prove them wrong. In my work I have been confronted with these questions of relative energies, the yin and yang of force. As you put it, are you pulling on a door handle, or simply pushing on the back side. I work with electricity and gases. In this work I have clearly seen that energy is not just one thing or the other, not just heat or inertia, or electromagnetism, but that these are all manifests of something deeper. In electrical theory, it has long been bantered about, if the electrons in a DC circuit, flow from positive to negative in the external loop of the circuit or visa versa. I would suggest that this problem is mainly academic, as much like your example, it is only critical in calculating specific gating sequences in electronic circuits. I would rather suggest that it may not flow at all, but if your specific acceptance of a given orientation makes sense, during complex calculations, then so be it. You need not define it as a truth! In my work with charged suspensions of hydrogen and oxygen, I ran up against this sort of theoretical wall of understanding. I was adding only energy (electrical) to mater (Water), and found that the resulting gas now occupied a specific ratio of space, 1862 to 1. I might point out that this is also the ratio of the mass of the electron to the proton in atomic theory. Hummm? Just a coincidence? Now here comes the stickler, does this mean that energy can occupy space? The only thing that was added to the electrolyte was electrical energy. What is filling in all the area that before held only the atoms in the compound of the original water. It was pointed out that water vapor, also functions at this same ratio. As a gas, steam expands at the same ratio, ambient at 212'F. Hummm? Just another coincidence? Offered again, was the single explanation that it is kinetics, or the bumping around of all those little atoms at the higher state of mater that accounts for the increase of volume. Can we just accept this? Humm? The three states of matter, gas, liquid and solid. Nothing is ever said about energy in this, oh so familiar educational chant! Does not energy apply? Why not talk about the three states of energy levels of all mater. Hot things expand, cool things contract. Hummm? All except water, it expands when it freezes. If energy can occupy space what does this tell us about space? In your specific question, electrons have a charge, the dynamics of charge are much like yourproblem of the door handle, do like charges repel, or could it be that they just suck backwards. I would be glad to talk with you further on these issues. I, like you have found many examples where conventional ideas of physics seem to fall short. Keep up the good work! Love TR Knudtson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 22 01:45:04 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA13989; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 01:42:00 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 01:42:00 -0700 Message-Id: <199806220840.EAA02360@surfergirl.spacey.net> Reply-To: From: "dwenbert" To: Subject: Zeroue Effect Phenomena? Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 04:38:36 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nQOD82.0.VQ3.NZXZr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4970 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ---------- > From: dwenbert > To: Newman-L Mailing List > Cc:KeelyNet-L@lists.kz > Subject: Re: Is pulse timing 50% incorrect? > Date: Monday, June 22, 1998 3:58 AM > > The following article describes recent discoveries which have a direct > bearing on several aspects of Newman's research and other zeroue devices. > One theory, that superconductance occurs around/along the periphery of the > wires in a wound copper core under certain circumstances is borne out by > the work done at GIT, in re: phenomena observed inside carbon fibers. This > is interesting because if true -- that Newmanesque devices benefit from a > gratuitous [magnetic field expelling] surface Meisner effect occasioned by > superconductive eddy currents along the copper core -- then, the anomalous > thermal properties of these zeroue devices [where what 'should' exhibit > resistive heating is instead found cooling to below ambient temperature] > are explainable in terms of the adiabatic paramagnetic thermal convection > that such a laminar surface current flow would produce.... > > > ----- Dave W. > > Source: Georgia Institute Of Technology > Posted 6/18/98 > > Tiny Computers Of Carbon? Nanotubes That Conduct Huge Currents Without > Heating Could Be Basis For New Electronics > > A report to be published in the June 12 issue of the journal Science moves > researchers one step closer to a practical application for electron wave > effects in extremely small-scale circuits. > > In the paper, a team of scientists from the Georgia Institute of Technology > reports observing ballistic conductance -- a phenomenon in which electrons > pass through a conductor without heating it -- at room temperature in > multi-walled carbon nanotubes up to five microns long. (A micron is a > millionth of a meter). > > Structures of that size operating under those conditions could one day be > useful for fabricating ever-smaller electronic devices. Their ability to > conduct relatively large currents without harmful resistance heating would > allow use of the very small conductors. > > "This is the first time that ballistic conductance has been seen at any > temperature in a three dimensional system of this scale," said Dr. Walt de > Heer, a professor in Georgia Tech's School of Physics. "There would be > interest in this for ultra-small electronics, because it shows that you can > constrain current flows to narrow areas without heating up the electronics. > It also introduces a new stage of electronics in which the wave nature of > electrons becomes important." > > In a simple experimental design using the positioning equipment of an > atomic force microscope, the researchers found that the electrical > resistance of the multi walled carbon nanotubes remained constant -- > regardless of their length or width. This quantum conductance is not seen > in larger structures. > > "In classical physics, the resistance of a metal bar is proportional to its > length," said Dr. Z.L. Wang, a professor in Georgia Tech's School of > Materials Science and Engineering. "If you make it twice as long, you will > have twice as much resistance. But for these nanotubes, it makes no > difference whether they are long or short because the resistance is > independent of the length or the diameter." > > That's possible, explained de Heer, because the electrons act more like > waves than particles in structures whose size approaches that of the > wavelength of electrons. "The electrons are passing through these nanotubes > as if they were light waves passing through an optical waveguide," he said. > "It's more like optics than electronics." > > In normal wires, the electrical energy they carry dissipates in the > conductor, but in the nanotubes, energy dissipates only in the leads used > to connect the tubes. Such effects had previously been seen only in > structures a thousand times smaller, and finding them in the comparatively > large nanotubes was "quite surprising," de Heer said. > > "Until now, these effects were considered to be exotic and seen only under > very special conditions," he said. "Now we are seeing them abundantly and > easily at room temperature with very simple devices." > > The absence of heating allows extremely large current densities to flow > through the nanotubes. Wang and de Heer measured current densities greater > than ten million amperes per square centimeter. Normal resistance heating > would have generated temperatures of 20,000 K in the nanotubes, well beyond > their combustion temperature of 700 K. > > Though they these effects were measured only in nanotubes of less than five > microns, such current densities are far greater than could be handled by > any other conductor, Wang noted. At lengths of more than five microns, > however, de Heer believes electron scattering may defeat the ballistic > conductance effect. > > "We can only guarantee that we can carry that kind of current over five > microns," he said. "We don't know what will happen if you try to conduct > for longer distances. This will certainly not be a way to transport current > over large distances." > > In their laboratory, de Heer, Wang and collaborators Stefan Frank and > Philippe Poncharal attached a tiny electrode to a bundle of nanotubes that > had a single long tube protruding from one end. They mounted the bundle in > place of the probe normally used in an atomic force microscope and > connected a battery to the electrode. > > They then used the microscope controls to raise and lower the single > protruding nanotube into and out of a pool of mercury that served to > complete the circuit back to the battery. The resistance they measured as > the nanotube was raised and lowered into the mercury remained constant, > changing only when a shorter tube protruding from the bundle -- which > resembles a handful of straw -- made contact with the liquid metal. > > The researchers measured the resistance of 20 nanotubes of different > lengths and diameters through as many as 1,000 cycles that consisted of > dipping them in and out of mercury and two other molten metals -- gallium > and Cerrolow-117. The tubes averaged 15 nanometers wide and four microns > long, but ranged from one to five microns in length, with diameters from > 1.4 nanometers to 50 nanometers. The quantum of resistance remained 12.9 > kiliohms. > > Despite the importance of the discovery, de Heer cautions that electronic > devices using nanotube conductors are perhaps decades away. One fundamental > issue is that carbon materials are incompatible with the silicon that is > the basis of current integrated circuits. Solving that challenge will > require a revolution in electronic design. > > "It would be like introducing silicon transistors during the age of vacuum > tubes," he said. "You couldn't combine the two because they are from > different worlds. This just opens the door, it doesn't tell you how to > build a better world. This should be seen as the proof of principle showing > that we can do ballistic conductance at room temperature." > > The researchers hope to follow up their work with measurements of other > predicted device properties of the nanotubes. The research is sponsored by > the U.S. Army Research Office and the Georgia Tech Foundation. > Copyright © 1995-97 ScienceDaily Magazine. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 22 03:25:54 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA20721; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 03:21:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 03:21:07 -0700 Message-Id: <199806221021.DAA20705@mx1.eskimo.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Dean T. Miller" To: Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 05:22:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Atoms Reply-to: dtmiller@mcleodusa.net Priority: normal In-reply-to: <19980622054444.VEYZ13513@dialup.csn.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"i9sK83.0.h35.J0ZZr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4971 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Chris, > From: "Chris Malcheski" Now I know how to get in touch with you. Where you been? How are things going? I can hardly get in touch with Jan Lamprecht -- he keeps sending stuff to my Compuserve address which I'm used to automatically deleting. He doesn't seem to want to send it to my 'net address. -- Dean -- from Des Moines (KB0ZDF) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 22 06:09:52 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA10787; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 06:08:50 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 06:08:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <358E564F.DCD08366@harti.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:04:16 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Newman-L Mailing List , freenrg-l Subject: Re: Apples/Apples References: <3.0.2.32.19980619090828.0097dbc0@pop.unb.ca> <358A6573.E5FD09EC@harti.com> <358AA170.7CE1@aasp.net> <358AA375.884214C6@harti.com> <358AE7E1.3AC7@aasp.net> <358AEB36.278F6C0A@harti.com> <358B36CF.24A0@aasp.net> <358B10F3.196BDF30@har <358CCDB3.6DC7E9D@harti.com> <358E7B7E.6525@aasp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YSECR2.0.Qe2.VTbZr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4972 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > > Well, imagine the coil does not have 17 Kohm, but only 50 Ohms > > _at the same windings number_ ! > > Then it will output much more energy during these back charge pulses and > > when the input firing segment is reduced at the same input voltage > > the input power needed stays constant !!! > > > > Regards, Stefan. > > Stefan, > > We have now completed the circle back to hypothetical! Consider the > following: > > To reduce the Ohms to 50 (from 17k) and retain the same # of turns, you > would increase the wire size. Not only would you increase the input > current 340 times, but you would reduce the magnetic self inductance due > to the increased diameter of the coil. Might this INCREASE in input > current vs. the DECREASE in magnetic coupling result in no net gain? > As I stated, I would keep the number of windings CONSTANT,so the magnetic self inductance would not decrease ! Also I would decrease the firing segment width, so the input power stays constant ! What then would rise would be the negative current spike output energy areas ! Have a look at: http://www.overunity.com/nnew/newman8.htm > Well, its been an interesting conversation. I am not as convinced as > you, that OU is possible under these circumstances. I see you > manipulating the variables (turns, resistance, inductance, timing, etc.) > in a sort of "Ohm's Law balancing act" where there are an infinate > number of possibilities. This seems like a perfect case for computer > simulation. Good luck! Well, I guess computer simulation will not result in any good result, cause there is more with it, than the formulars can predict. I guess it is better just to build a coil, that has 400 Henries and 50 Ohms and to try it with the best available permanent magnets today. Imagine using the new Takahashi magnets which have 2 Tesla surface flux density ! Regards, Stefan. > -- > > Regards, > Scott MacGregor EES,Co. > ************************************************************ > Enterprise Engineering Services Co. > E-mail smacgregor@aasp.net > Member: Cable Television Advisory Committee, Plainville, MA > http:/www.expage.com/page/cableguy > ************************************************************ -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 22 06:56:51 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA17824; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 06:55:43 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 06:55:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 08:46:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Zack Widup Subject: Re: Is pulse timing 50% incorrect? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"n4Wri3.0.PM4.S9cZr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4973 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Mon, 22 Jun 1998 HLafonte@aol.com wrote: > Hi Jean-Louis, Stefan, and all, > A few years ago Evan put a letter I wrote on the list, and one part of it > dealt with the current PULSE and electron drift in a single wire loop, who's > power source was a dc battery. > After talking with many college physics professors and professors of > electrical engineering, they said that my theory was correct with respect to > the behavior of the current PULSE in this loop when the switch was closed in > this circuit. > Everyone talks of the current PULSE in a coil made up of 50 miles of wire > taking a certain amount of time to go from the negative terminal of the > battery to the positive terminal. This is not the case! The switch is closed > and a current pulse (not electron drift) starts at the negative terminal and > ALSO a pulse starts in the opposite direction from the positive terminal and > the two meet half way down the length of wire, even if it is 50 miles long. > The atoms and electrons in the wire at the positive terminal do not just sit > there when the switch is closed, waiting for the pulse to come around from the > negative terminal. A PULSE starts into the battery and works backwards up the > wire to meet the pulse coming from the negative terminal. > So when the switch is closed, the time for the pulse to develope a magnetic > field in the coils full length is not the time for the pulse to travel 50 > miles but 25 miles! > Is this a factor that needs to be calculated when setting the length of the > pulses in the Newman Motor/Gererator? > Comments please, > Butch > Hey! This is basically the theory of Thomas Bearden in The Final Secret of Free Energy! His theory included more efficient use of wire by using specially-designed material for the wire. It looked pretty complex to me, though, as I am not a metallurgist and don't have such a lab at my disposal. Zack From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 22 13:20:13 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA18894; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:11:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Keasy@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 16:03:48 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Ring laser gyro Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"kRQRb3.0.uc4._fhZr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4974 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 6/21/98 7:25:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, stk@sunherald.infi.net writes: << Anyone here know how I can set up a ring laser gyro? Thanks, Kyle R. Mcallister >> Kyle, Don't mean to be discouraging, but I studied them at one time and remember enough to know if you want accuracy there are a lot of "fine points" that have to be considered. They are basically a laser inside an interferometer so you have to have quite stable optics. Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 22 13:35:57 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA16116; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:30:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:30:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:30:49 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: Re: Ring laser gyro In-Reply-To: <01BD9D5A.63218300.stk@sunherald.infi.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"A7hPt1.0.kx3.uxhZr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4975 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sun, 21 Jun 1998, Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: > Hello all: > > Anyone here know how I can set up a ring laser gyro? I've never tried it, but here's what I would do. First rig up a photocell and amplifier so you can hear the laser beat frequenciess from physical motion. This is pretty easy: amplify the output from a small photocell and apply it to loudspeakers, shine the laser at the photocell, then turn the photocell so the reflected beam goes back into the laser. Hold everything very still, and then push very slightly on the surface where the laser and photocell are resting. You will hear loud squeals and chirps (they sound much like the sounds of tuning a shortware radio past certain CW stations.) This occurs because the distance between the laser and the photocell is changing, and as it changes it causes a linear interference pattern to move along the laser beam. Each "click" of the squealing sound is one node or antinode of the interference pattern going past the photocell. Having accomplished this, you'll know how much audio amplification is required in order to hear the beat frequencies in the light. Now for the gyro. Shine the laser on the end of a pair of single fiber optical fibers each a couple of feet long. Wrap the two fibers around a circle with each fiber going in the opposite direction (one wraps CCW, the other wraps CW). Aim the far ends of the fibers at your photocell so the laser light combines. If anything should now alter the "optical length" of the fibers, you should hear a squeal from your loudspeaker. Extremely slow rotation of the entire laser/fibers/photocell assembly should create a loud squeal. I would first try all of the above with a HeNe laser. Laser pointers have terrible coherence. If one fiber was a tiny bit longer than the other, the whole thing might fail to work if a Laser pointer is used, while it might be fine if a HeNe tube-laser is used. In the above, I am unsure of the size of the interference fringes which the fibers will project onto the photocell. If several fringes are on the surface of the photocell at one time, then the sound of moving fringes will be very low in amplitude. Perhaps you'll have to glue the fibers parallel to each other so their ends are very very close, and then hold them at quite a distance from the photocell. Perhaps use a lens near the fiber ends to beam the spreading light towards the photocell. All this is intended to set up a "double slit diffraction" system where the light-emitting ends of the optical fibers are the "slits". The diffraction pattern projected onto the photocell should be large enough that just one "fringe" hits the photocell at a time. The photocell probably needs to be masked, so that it has a "slit" shape which can grab one single fringe of the diffraction pattern. When the entire assembly is rotated, the fringe pattern will zoom wildly across the photocell, and a high-freq signal will come out of the loudspeaker. The end result is a sort of "digital potentiometer" device which has many "clicks" per rotation. If you managed to count the number of clicks digitally (and also detect the direction of motion of the dirifting interference pattern?) then you'll have a compass which can detect incredibly tiny rotary motions, like hundred thousandths of a degree. The down side: I hear that these things are sensitive to fiber motion and fiber thermal expansion. Simply walking on the floor near the lab bench would cause squealing sounds in the output. Once you had it working, you'd want to cast the fibers into solid plastic, and imbed the plastic block inside a very thick layer of styrofoam (or perhaps make a little one which could fit inside a thermos bottle. Without thermal protection, I bet the fibers would respond to small amounts of IR radiation. While listening to the loudspeaker output, maybe you can wave your warm hands near the bare fibers and make them squeal. Is this the laser-powered relativistic thermosensitive version of the Theremin? :) ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 22 13:45:19 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA19651; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:41:41 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:41:41 -0700 From: Keasy@aol.com Message-ID: <76b90c43.358ec15f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 16:41:01 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Simple (?) Magnetics Question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"SjpMV.0.yo4.46iZr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4976 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Suppose I have a magnet in the shape of a toroid with a hole, also in the shape of a toroid, in the center of the magnet, with its axis coincident with the axis of the magnet. So I have a toroidal magnet with a hole at the center if its circular cross section (everywhere along the length of the toroid). And now the simple question: if the field inside the magnet part of the toroid is B, what is the field inside the hole?? (B, zero, or something else). I ask the question because with one of the answers an overunity device would seem to be feasible. If we can decide the answer I will post what I had in mind if there is interest. Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 22 13:56:47 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA26393; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:48:10 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:48:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:40:44 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Is pulse timing 50% incorrect? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"GXiIs1.0.IS6.7CiZr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4977 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Mon, 22 Jun 1998 HLafonte@aol.com wrote: > Everyone talks of the current PULSE in a coil made up of 50 miles of wire > taking a certain amount of time to go from the negative terminal of the > battery to the positive terminal. This is not the case! The switch is closed > and a current pulse (not electron drift) starts at the negative terminal and > ALSO a pulse starts in the opposite direction from the positive terminal and > the two meet half way down the length of wire, even if it is 50 miles long. This is exactly right. The power supply charges the wires, but it otherwise behaves as a low-impedance path. Pulses of current can go THROUGH the power supply. The realsource of the pulse is the switch! A region of excess charge races outwards from the switch along one wire, and a region of deficeit charge races outwards in the other direction along the other wire. If the wire was perfectly conducting, then these pulses would meet at the far end of the circuit, but would race through each other and eventually return to the switch. If the switch is still closed, the pulses would race through the switch and continue through the coil again and again. Closing the switch is like whacking the rim of a bell with a metal rod: it sends pulses racing along the rim of the bell, and if there aren't large frictional/resistive losses, then the whole "system" resonates for a long time. In the case of the Newman motor, the time delay through the coil must be very large so that the resonant frequency is low enough for mechanical switching to interact with it. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 22 14:36:02 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA04055; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:32:33 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:32:33 -0700 Message-ID: <01BD9DFA.F4B79A20.stk@sunherald.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Cc: "'vortex-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: Something interesting... Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 16:29:39 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bINsp1.0.C_.mriZr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4978 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello all: I was reading about Borge Nodland and John Ralston's studies of the polarization of synchrotron radiation from distant galaxies, and how they may have detected an anisotropy in the cosmological structure of the universe and how light propagates through the universe. They found that the effect pointed near the direction of the constallation Sextans, or near there. I thought nothing of this, just a curiosity. Today, I was reading about the Silvertooth experiment, and how it supposedly detected earth's "absolute motion" in space, and determined it to be about 378km/s in the direction of the constellation Leo. I thought this was interesting, but did what I usually do: put it aside until later. Then it hit me: the constellations Leo and Sextans are right next to each other! I ran my astronomy program, and made sure I remembered correctly, and I did. So we are left with this: 1. A detectible anisotropy in the direction of Sextans; 2. A detectible anisotropy in the direction of Leo; 3. Two anisotropies lying very close to each other. I think this definately warrants further investigation. Thoughts? Kyle R. Mcallister Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net Phone: 228-875-0629 http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/5257 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 22 15:44:21 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA26265; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:41:46 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:41:46 -0700 Message-ID: <358EDD8C.C6A0DDD6@dcache.net> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 18:41:16 -0400 From: "James J. Jiamachello" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Simple (?) Magnetics Question References: <76b90c43.358ec15f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ctsmy2.0.HQ6.fsjZr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4979 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Ken Can't resist this one. Based on past discussions of the magnets glued together to form a sphere (no outside field), and the magnetic bubble experimenters trying to duplicate the VTA (Floyd Sweet device), also companies who build magnetics for industry, I would conclude you can get someone to build whatever you could think up. A simple toroid shape, a ring of magnets, can be quickly made with all north poles facing center. Statically it doesn't look like much but the flux gate phenomena has interesting properties, see Bednini's page. If you want a striped effect through the center the surface of the toroid can be tiled with the magnetic pattern of your choice. If you can visualize it, then you should be able to realize it. Of course the journey is the real adventure! Good luck Jim Keasy@aol.com wrote: > > Suppose I have a magnet in the shape of a toroid with a hole, also in the > shape of a toroid, in the center of the magnet, with its axis coincident with > the axis of the magnet. So I have a toroidal magnet with a hole at the center > if its circular cross section (everywhere along the length of the toroid). > And now the simple question: if the field inside the magnet part of the > toroid is B, what is the field inside the hole?? (B, zero, or something else). > I ask the question because with one of the answers an overunity device would > seem to be feasible. If we can decide the answer I will post what I had in > mind if there is interest. > Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 22 16:48:31 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA23284; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 16:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 16:41:01 -0700 (PDT) From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Atoms Message-ID: <19980622.193509.8271.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <19980622054444.VEYZ13513@dialup.csn.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-5,7-9,13-15,17-18,20-22,29-30,32-38,41-42,46-48 Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:32:50 EDT Resent-Message-ID: <"pywNl.0.kh5.BkkZr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4980 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sun, 21 Jun 1998 23:44:56 -0600 "Chris Malcheski" writes: >I never could buy the theory of a "strong" and "weak" force. I think >the Bohr model of the atom is all wrong in this area. I'm terribly >deficient in my knowledge of the finer details of atomic theory, but I just >can't reconcile the limit of 2 electons in the innermost shell. I have rec'd some papers from M. Twain and am awaiting for the last set that completes his most recent work. He appears to address that issue, but I need to read them in some detail myself before I can comment on them. >Next, we come to : why are there shells at all? The "current" theory >falls apart here. There would have to be some limiting force that created >"valleys" (so to speak) where orbits were taken up. Maybe the flow >inward would be a wave, where the peaks and valleys accounted for the various >shells. The reason for shells, and their spacing seems to be related to wavelenghts. Also keep in mind that most forces in nature are presently explained to be the result of the exchange of virtual particles (ie, the electric force is the result of the exchange of virtual photons). The momentum of a photon (virtual or real) does exert an momentum to a particle related to its energy...kind of like catching a bowling ball tossed hard into your chest. Subatomic force can be a push after all. On the other hand, this is my thought, and it is worth exactly what you paid for it. > just as it's a lot easier to build a Pentium chip if >you start with a good knowledge of transistors. > >-- Chris The problem with modern theory, for all it's weakness, is that "we" CAN build Pentium chips, world-wide communication systems, and automobiles (etc). This is enough to keep the "masses" happy, and most of our creative minds are busy writing software, songs, and advertisments. Thot that there is any thing wrong with any of these professions, but most are unconcerned with the real issues facing mankind. Steve Heckman _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 22 17:13:28 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA25427; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:08:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:08:42 -0700 Message-ID: <01BD9E10.D0421920.stk@sunherald.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'vortex-l@eskimo.com'" Cc: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: Something interesting... Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:06:07 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xjfv61.0.VC6.58lZr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4981 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com -----Original Message----- From: John Fields [SMTP:jfields@fc.net] Sent: Monday, June 22, 1998 6:37 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: 'freenrg-l@eskimo.com' Subject: Re: Something interesting... >A thought: >In order to be considered seriously, I suggest that you seriously >reconsider the spelling of "definately" My mistake. When I am thinking about other things, I frequently misspell. "Definately=Definitely:-) >As for the proximity of the locations of the constellations, I would >like to suggest that perhaps their spatial locations are not >necessarily equivalent to their temporal locations, inasmuch as some >time has gone by since they were first seen by us. Well, it really has nothing to do with the constellations themselves, just the direction in which the anisotropies lie is in line with those constellations. The constellations themselves probably have nothing to do with the effects. Kyle R. Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 22 18:32:37 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA23854; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 18:28:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 18:28:48 -0700 Message-ID: <19980623010817.23745.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [208.8.144.148] From: "Barbara Myers" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: New Web Site - Alternative Health/New Energy Technology Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 18:08:16 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"9SCJ73.0.Xq5.FJmZr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4982 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Walt here: Check out the new web site at: www.momentumresearch.com (If you have any interest in alternative health devices or new energy technology, check it out) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 22 19:16:42 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA16744; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:13:11 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:13:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:05:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806230205.TAA08601@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: Simple (?) Magnetics Question Resent-Message-ID: <"jSy3S2.0.Y54.symZr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4983 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Ken and all, At 04:41 PM 6/22/98 EDT, you wrote: >Suppose I have a magnet in the shape of a toroid with a hole, also in the >shape of a toroid, in the center of the magnet, with its axis coincident with >the axis of the magnet. So I have a toroidal magnet with a hole at the center >if its circular cross section (everywhere along the length of the toroid). > And now the simple question: if the field inside the magnet part of the >toroid is B, what is the field inside the hole?? (B, zero, or something else). >I ask the question because with one of the answers an overunity device would >seem to be feasible. If we can decide the answer I will post what I had in >mind if there is interest. > Ken Keasy@aol.com > Ampere's law says for a closed contour (circular inside the toroid) H*length = current flow through the contour. So H is the same, to get B multiply for mu. This is for a solenoid wound in the shape of a toroid. For a permanent magnet, I guess you need the eguivalent currents which are generating the field. Can you say there are equivalent surface currents on the surface of the toroid cavity? -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 22 20:03:59 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA17334; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 20:01:36 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 20:01:36 -0700 Message-ID: <19980623030104.18749.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [208.8.144.168] From: "Barbara Myers" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: Weird Medicine/Zappers Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 20:01:04 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"h1RDm3.0.gE4.FgnZr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4984 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Jean-Pierre: On 16 June, Pascal wrote to you regarding purchasing Zappers over the net. If you will check our web site, we have an improved version of Hulda Clark's Zapper and sell them for $75US. If you would contact Pascal, perhaps he would be interested in looking at our site www.momentumresearch.com If he is interested in distributing our devices in France, we will be happy to make arrangements. If he is only interested in purchasing units for himself, I will need to have him place an order and allow me time to have UPS give me a shipping price. I do not have my translation software in place as yet, would you be able to translate for us? Barbara ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 22 22:18:18 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA18153; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:13:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:13:42 -0700 Message-ID: <19980623042435.12789.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [208.8.144.168] From: "Barbara Myers" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: jiamache@dcache.net, Keasy@aol.com Subject: Re: Simple (?) Magnetics Question Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 21:24:34 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"A6evJ.0.ZR4.5cpZr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4985 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com HI ALL: Regarding magnetics, do you think it's feasible for a magnetic field to be turned inside on itself? Picture in your mind, a field resembling a peanut. Would this preclude only attraction without repulsion? Curious... Walt Myers ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 23 00:22:26 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA06114; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 00:19:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 00:19:12 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980623152109.0089e100@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> X-Sender: jwinter@cyllene.uwa.edu.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:21:09 +0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: John Winterflood Subject: Re: Magnetics Question, (& Singtech & Ball Lightning) In-Reply-To: <199806230205.TAA08601@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"rGK_R1.0.RV1.lRrZr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4986 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Ken wrote: >>Suppose I have a magnet in the shape of a toroid with a hole, also in the >>shape of a toroid, in the center of the magnet, with its axis coincident with >>the axis of the magnet. So I have a toroidal magnet with a hole at the center >>if its circular cross section (everywhere along the length of the toroid). >> And now the simple question: if the field inside the magnet part of the >>toroid is B, what is the field inside the hole?? (B, zero, or something else). >>I ask the question because with one of the answers an overunity device would >>seem to be feasible. If we can decide the answer I will post what I had in >>mind if there is interest. >> Ken Keasy@aol.com Dave wrote: >Ampere's law says for a closed contour (circular inside the toroid) H*length >= current flow through the contour. So H is the same, to get B multiply for mu. >This is for a solenoid wound in the shape of a toroid. For a permanent >magnet, I guess you need the eguivalent currents which are generating the >field. Can you say there are equivalent surface currents on the surface of >the toroid cavity? >-Dave You can take the following line of argument :- suppose that you allowed a tiny slit to be made from the outside of the toroidal material to the hollow at its core, around the long way (ie like a bicycle tire with the beads almost touching). From symmetry (the cross-section is constant around the loop) we know that any magnetic field must be circumferential (the long way around the loop). We also know from Ampere's law cited by Dave that there can be no magnetic field outside of the magnetic material because there is no way for current to link any circumferential type of field line. Now consider that this slit is made smaller and smaller until it disappears. Provided no current suddenly starts flowing across that gap once it closes (and of course it won't in any material I can think of), no field can be present in the interior space. So the answer to the question "B, zero, or something else ?" is zero. Since Mr Cagle and Singtech have again been mentioned (in the "FUN: high-speed electrostatic air-threads" thread), I might just point out that for the very same reason (symmetry & Ampere's law), I consider Mr Cagle's foundational "Archetype" theory (http://www.singtech.com/archetype.html) to be basically flawed. If you look closely you will see a poloidal current sheath. Inside that sheath he has a toroidal "B vector" (presumably the conventional magnetic field inside a toriodal coil). But then OUTSIDE the current sheath he also has an external "B vector"! I pointed this out to him at great length a long time ago but it seems that he is sure he must be right even though the most basic (almost high school level) electromagnetic theory says it is not so - at least in the static case. However his case is not quite static - his current sheath changes direction continuously (at audible frequencies apparently - giving the "hum" reported of ball lightning see http://members.aol.com/cabbotttt/tutorial.html). Anyone who knows a lot about the dynamics of electromagnetism care to think about whether there is any case for a toroidal magnetic field on the outside of such an oscillating structure ? Personally I think the dynamics make no difference. Anyone interested in ball lightning (you listening Frank?), tesla coils, etc, would do well to take a look at http://members.aol.com/cabbotttt This guy Cabbott is doing real stuff (under Mr Cagle's employ) and making fast progress. We ought to invite him to join this list (if Mr Cagle would permit him after the last major flame war he had here!). From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 23 06:12:23 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA15148; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 06:07:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 06:07:40 -0700 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Message-ID: <5cf5a538.358fa85a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:06:33 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-l@emachine.com Cc: harti@harti.com, leoguitar@vossnet.de, mrandall@earthlink.net, mrand910@yahoo.com, ddameron@earthlink.net, vramos@ctv.es, WDBAUER@vossnet.de, josephnewman@earthlink.net, HLafonte@aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Newman's Machine - Efficiency Tests RUN 1 and 2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 116 Resent-Message-ID: <"IZpzX.0.ci3.SYwZr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4987 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi All, You will find the EFFICIENCY TESTS RUN 1 and 2 results by using the "Prony Brake" Method on my Newman's Enrgy Machine V1.0. At: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlnaudin/html/NMt0623a.htm The test phase is not yet finished, more to come soon.. I think that this will interest you. Sincerely, Jean-Louis Naudin (France) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 23 06:33:29 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA21727; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 06:27:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 06:27:57 -0700 Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 08:27:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Zack Widup Subject: Re: Magnetics Question, (& Singtech & Ball Lightning) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980623152109.0089e100@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"5k3Kf.0.HJ5.TrwZr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4988 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Tue, 23 Jun 1998, John Winterflood wrote: > > Since Mr Cagle and Singtech have again been mentioned (in the > "FUN: high-speed electrostatic air-threads" thread), I might > just point out that for the very same reason (symmetry & Ampere's > law), I consider Mr Cagle's foundational "Archetype" theory > (http://www.singtech.com/archetype.html) to be basically flawed. > If you look closely you will see a poloidal current sheath. > Inside that sheath he has a toroidal "B vector" (presumably the > conventional magnetic field inside a toriodal coil). But then > OUTSIDE the current sheath he also has an external "B vector"! > I remember Mr. Cagle and his theory that the upcoming solar cycle would be so huge as to change the toroidal field of the earth's magnetosphere into a poloidal one. I also observed the flaw noted above. So far, Cycle 23 has been a big flop. Not quite a Maunder Minimum, but one of the lower sunspot cycles on record. Predictions have it that the peak will be about a year later than originally predicted, and with much lower sunspot numbers than average. (Much to my chagrin, as I am a radio amateur who considers the ionosphere my "toy".) So much for THAT source of the end of the world! Zack From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 23 07:06:57 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA01700; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 07:03:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 07:03:18 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980622192331.006a1448@multinet.net.il> X-Sender: BUSHI@multinet.net.il X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:23:31 +0300 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Lev Robert Subject: OU electrical generator Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"SQbQF1.0.RQ.cMxZr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4989 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Everyone I have read recently a paper written by Richard L. Clark by the above name The general idea is to excite the primary of a transformer by a momentary DC pulse. Than the primary winding of the transformer should be connected to the secondary in order to gain the loss in the field colapse. According to the writer there is a power gain of about 270% at least. Anyone knows or has done anything in this line of experiments??? Robert BUSHILEV From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 23 07:13:05 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA25663; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 07:10:30 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 07:10:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980622203022.006a3058@multinet.net.il> X-Sender: BUSHI@multinet.net.il X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 20:30:22 +0300 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Lev Robert Subject: Is This a new/old energy source? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"CWbpc.0.rG6.JTxZr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4990 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Here I submit the URL of the site dealing with the "Harmonic Phisics" Anyone interested? http://www.svpvril.com/ Robert BUSHILEV From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 23 08:03:19 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA20594; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 08:00:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 08:00:04 -0700 From: Keasy@aol.com Message-ID: <8dfd27c.358fc2ae@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:58:53 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Magnetics Question, (& Singtech & Ball Lightning) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"mr8B11.0.h15.qByZr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4991 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 6/23/98 12:22:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jwinter@cyllene.uwa.edu.au writes: << You can take the following line of argument :- suppose that you allowed a tiny slit to be made from the outside of the toroidal material to the hollow at its core, around the long way (ie like a bicycle tire with the beads almost touching). From symmetry (the cross-section is constant around the loop) we know that any magnetic field must be circumferential (the long way around the loop). We also know from Ampere's law cited by Dave that there can be no magnetic field outside of the magnetic material because there is no way for current to link any circumferential type of field line. Now consider that this slit is made smaller and smaller until it disappears. Provided no current suddenly starts flowing across that gap once it closes (and of course it won't in any material I can think of), no field can be present in the interior space. So the answer to the question "B, zero, or something else ?" is zero. >> John, Sounds like an excellent argument to me. It is unfortunately not the answer I would have preferred. From just boundary conditions between the hole/toroidal surface interface I thought zero could be the answer, but also thought I could well be wrong. Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 23 09:38:36 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA24211; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:35:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:35:40 -0700 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:34:58 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-l@emachine.com Cc: harti@harti.com, leoguitar@vossnet.de, mrandall@earthlink.net, mrand910@yahoo.com, ddameron@earthlink.net, vramos@ctv.es, WDBAUER@vossnet.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Newman's Machine - Efficiency Tests RUN 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 116 Resent-Message-ID: <"4dAee.0.7w5.QbzZr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4992 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi All, You will find the EFFICIENCY TESTS RUN 3 results by using the "Prony Brake" Method on my Newman's Enrgy Machine V1.0. Working voltage bipolar 313V, Two pulses by turn At: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlnaudin/html/NMt0623c.htm The test phase is not yet finished, more to come soon.. I think that this will interest you. Sincerely, Jean-Louis Naudin (France) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 23 10:19:09 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA10356; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:15:33 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:15:33 -0700 X-Sender: bailey@shell14.ba.best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:21:34 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com (Freengr List) From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: The Institute for New Energy Web Site has been updated (Cayce Material added) Resent-Message-ID: <"JQDcY1.0.iX2.qA-Zr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4993 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com X-Sender: bailey@shell14.ba.best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:55:10 -0800 To: pgb@padrak.com (BCC to: INE_Regs List: > 1225 Emails) From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: The Institute for New Energy Web Site has been updated X-Rcpt-To: pgb@padrak.com The Institute for New Energy Web Site has been updated at: http://www.padrak.com/ine/ Most New Data Files are at: http://www.padrak.com/ine/index.shtml#INE_RECENT All new revisions are in the file: http://www.padrak.com/ine/REVISIONS.html ------------- ------------------------------------------------------------ Date Included Additions, Expansions, or Revisions ------------- ------------------------------------------------------------ Jun. 22, 1998 Added: Edgar Cayce Readings Files on the No Fuel Motor Updated: ICCF-7 Files and Index File, to link each other. Abstracts From ICCF-7, Part Two Abstracts From ICCF-7, Part One Subjects and Authors Websites Site Counter = 245,590 Jun. 19, 1998 Added: NEN TOC Vol. 6, No. 2, June 1998 INE 1998 Symposium: Tentative Schedule National Philosophy Alliance Conference Professor Yull Brown Dies Abstracts From ICCF-7, Part Two Transmutation Preliminary Results Paper Why DOE Is Stuck On Glass Plants Advanced Energy Conversion Theories, Devices, And Results Letter From Jerry Decker: Self-Running Lawnmower Engine Letter From Don Kelly: Gravity Drop Tests And Data Letter From P. T. Pappas, On Ion Magnetic Inductor Updated: Subjects and Authors Site Counter = 244,633 Jun. 17, 1998 Added: A Report on "Cold Fusion" Theories and Results at the June 7-11, 1998, American Nuclear Society Annual Meeting Subjects and Authors Websites Site Counter = 243,870 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 23 14:13:25 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA31496; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:10:10 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:10:10 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:10:00 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: PAGD apparatus (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"6zxLj3.0.uh7.nc1ar"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4994 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Anyone interested in the offer below should contact revtec@ptd.net directly ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:20:58 -0400 From: jeff fink To: billb@eskimo.com Subject: PAGD apparatus I have dismantled my PAGD experiment to make room for another project. I have over a thousand dollars worth of stuff that I am willing to take $300 for. I'll itemize it if you or a friend has any serious interest. With this equipment I have seen all the phenomena the Correas claimed with the exception of excess energy. Bob Flower and I have also seen things they did not mention. This is neat stuff, but perhaps someone more intellectual than me can put it to better use. Jeff Fink From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 23 15:30:37 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA29164; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:26:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:26:38 -0700 Message-ID: <35902B15.B7F97C86@harti.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:24:22 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JNaudin509@aol.com CC: Stefan Hartmann , ddameron@earthlink.net, mrandall@earthlink.net, mrand910@yahoo.com, Wolf-Dietrich Bauer , vramos@ctv.es, freenrg-l , newman-list , josephnewman@earthlink.net Subject: Newman pages updated with OU proof pics. References: <91d43508.359016cd@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rUyCq1.0.c77.Uk2ar"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4995 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi all, I have updated my Newman secrets pages again. Have a look at: http://www.overunity.com/nnew/newman8.htm and http://www.overunity.com/nnew/newman9.htm -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 23 22:29:32 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA23947; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:57:23 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:57:23 -0700 Message-Id: <199806240457.WAA13637@louise.dlcwest.com> From: "Plasmatic" To: Subject: Re: OU electrical generator Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:57:48 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Vegwb1.0.2s5.oS8ar"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4996 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I'm not QUITE sure if that's what it really is, but there is a HUGE thread on here about the Newman generator, which sounds alot like this. Can't say I ever heard of Richard Clark.... -----Original Message----- From: Lev Robert To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, June 23, 1998 8:06 AM Subject: OU electrical generator >Hi Everyone >I have read recently a paper written by Richard L. Clark by the above name >The general idea is to excite the primary of a transformer by a momentary >DC pulse. >Than the primary winding of the transformer should be connected to the >secondary in order to gain the loss in the field colapse. >According to the writer there is a power gain of about 270% at least. >Anyone knows or has done anything in this line of experiments??? >Robert >BUSHILEV > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 23 23:38:58 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA13616; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 23:06:56 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 23:06:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:59:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806240559.WAA12234@italy.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: Magnetics Question, (& Singtech & Ball Lightning) Resent-Message-ID: <"MhZuD3.0.eK3.yT9ar"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4997 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi all, At 03:21 PM 6/23/98 +0800, John wrote: >You can take the following line of argument :- suppose that you >allowed a tiny slit to be made from the outside of the toroidal >material to the hollow at its core, around the long way (ie like >a bicycle tire with the beads almost touching). From symmetry >(the cross-section is constant around the loop) we know that any >magnetic field must be circumferential (the long way around the >loop). We also know from Ampere's law cited by Dave that there >can be no magnetic field outside of the magnetic material because >there is no way for current to link any circumferential type of >field line. > >Now consider that this slit is made smaller and smaller until it >disappears. Provided no current suddenly starts flowing across >that gap once it closes (and of course it won't in any material >I can think of), no field can be present in the interior space. >So the answer to the question "B, zero, or something else ?" is >zero. > Thanks this analysis and the links, which I will look at. What was your original idea, Ken? I still think the toroid solenoid is different than the PM, as the circular slit cannot be made without cutting the turns, thus a field would be there. Also if the magnet has domains, these can have equivalent surface currents. It made me also think of just a rod permanent magnet, bent into a loop with a small gap. Ampere's law says the sum of H around the loop + gap is zero, but the B field is continuous at the gap faces. So the magnet has to be in the quadrant II where B has the opposite sign as H. As the gap is closed, the H has to be zero, but the B can be anything from +B(residual) to -B(residual). A lot of effects to play with. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 24 01:10:23 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA16424; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:32:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:32:07 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980624153405.008a1ea0@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> X-Sender: jwinter@cyllene.uwa.edu.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 15:34:05 +0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: John Winterflood Subject: Re: Magnetics Question In-Reply-To: <199806240559.WAA12234@italy.it.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"A5ssM.0.T04.tjAar"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4998 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dave wrote: >I still think the toroid solenoid is different than the PM, as the circular >slit cannot be made without cutting the turns, thus a field would be there. Imagine that instead of cutting the solenoid windings, you push them in where the slit would be and make them into large loops around the interior void. Then you have a very close equivalent to your slitted and hollow PM - the real current in the solenoid being equivalent to the surface current in the PM. Again by the same analysis, you have no magnetic field in the central void - the current around the very outside is exactly cancelled out by the current in the reverse direction around the interior void. As you close the gap the current does not change and the interior field remains zero. Once the gap is completely closed the current going into the void, and that coming back out again, also exactly cancel and so those current paths may be removed leaving two separate and concentric loops with equal current in opposite directions. >Also if the magnet has domains, these can have equivalent surface currents. Regardless of domains, a permanent magnet has equivalent surface currents. But these equivalent surface currents will not cause a net current flow across the longitudinal gap as it is closed. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 24 01:42:58 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA23771; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 01:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 01:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3591B8C6.4A21@mlb.planet.gen.nz> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:41:10 -0700 From: Stuart Rae X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: OU electrical generator References: <199806240457.WAA13637@louise.dlcwest.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_uTVp1.0.Lp5.sIBar"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4999 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Plasmatic wrote: > > I'm not QUITE sure if that's what it really is, but there is a HUGE thread > on here about the Newman generator, which sounds alot like this. Can't say > I ever heard of Richard Clark.... > Yes, I agree about the HUGE Newman thread, and the two things are obviously connected. So if anyone is unsure as to what this question is REALLY all about, here's Richard Clark's original comments on the matter!! Quote: OVER UNITY ELECTRICAL GENERATOR DESIGN by Richard L. Clark The best form of an Over Unity Generator would have no moving parts. Looking at the common transformer and how it works, provides the answer. If I take a DC power supply and connect it to the primary of the transformer, I can make a generator of sorts. I'll turn "on" the DC to the primary for just an instant and then turn it "off". In the secondary, there is a flux linkage, following the primary signal, which is some 90% of the input power. Any transformer secondary will produce about 180% of the input power in this mode, with a gradually applied quarter sine or sawtooth wave shape DC input. But wait, we are throwing recoverable power away in the primary coil winding's field collapse. Now, let us apply the DC power input and then, when the input power is cut off, switch the primary winding's field collapse to the output also. The primary's field collapse contributes at least another 90% to the output for a grand total of about 270% gain in the over unity generator design. The DC power signal, must only take the primary winding up and then let go (open) at the top voltage. Thus, the primary can be switched to the output to recover it's field collapse. Electronic switching can accomplish all of these functions at little power usage and cost. There, the gain of a transformer Over Unity Generator, would probably be around the 250% output power to input power, and there is no mechanical motion. end of quote: Now then, I've NEVER heard ANYONE in this, or any other forum, argue with any competent of rational intent, that what Richard Clark has said here is incorrect in terms of conventional EM theory: And if it is ....... Exactly _WHY_ ?? ============================= S. N. Rae, Blenheim, NEW ZEALAND. mailto:srae@mlb.planet.gen.nz From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 24 04:15:27 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA06221; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 03:43:39 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 03:43:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980624183820.007fe160@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> X-Sender: jwinter@cyllene.uwa.edu.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 18:38:20 +0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: John Winterflood Subject: Re: OU electrical generator In-Reply-To: <3591B8C6.4A21@mlb.planet.gen.nz> References: <199806240457.WAA13637@louise.dlcwest.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"N4yS7.0.7X1.QXDar"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5000 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Someone wrote: >Yes, I agree about the HUGE Newman thread, and the two things are obviously >connected. So if anyone is unsure as to what this question is REALLY all >about, here's Richard Clark's original comments on the matter!! >Now then, I've NEVER heard ANYONE in this, or any other forum, argue with any >competent of rational intent, that what Richard Clark has said here is >incorrect in terms of conventional EM theory: Why should anyone waste their time spelling out character by character in ASCII the most basic facts about the way transformers work, when there are plentiful books with beautiful diagrams doing a far better job and someone can't be bothered to take a look. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 24 07:27:03 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA11728; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 07:21:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 07:21:54 -0700 Message-ID: <002001bd9f7b$5a2c7a20$96d2989e@david-callaghan> From: "David Callaghan" To: Subject: Re: OU electrical generator Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 15:20:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"UpzPR3.0.9t2.1kGar"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5001 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com John Winterlood wrote: >Why should anyone waste their time spelling out character by character >in ASCII the most basic facts about the way transformers work, when >there are plentiful books with beautiful diagrams doing a far better >job and someone can't be bothered to take a look. Just to concur with John. I have seen quite a few misunderstanding of the laws of electrical principals on this list recently - like assumptions that P=VI in AC inuctive systems etc. It looks like Richard L Clark is thinking that Voltage = Power. Anyway, instead of dis'sing people who do not know what we know, how about giving them URL's to sites containing suitable information. Stefan Hartmann seems excited about the Newman machine at present. I have looked at many sites containing information about it and still I fail to see how it can go OU. Anybody want to explain this to me? Regards David Callaghan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 24 08:41:37 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA31983; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:32:37 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:32:37 -0700 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:32:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806241532.IAA23600@sweden.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: Magnetics Question Resent-Message-ID: <"kKP0s1.0.Vp7.KmHar"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5002 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi John, Ken and all, At 03:34 PM 6/24/98 +0800, John wrote: >>I still think the toroid solenoid is different than the PM, as the circular >>slit cannot be made without cutting the turns, thus a field would be there. > >Imagine that instead of cutting the solenoid windings, you push >them in where the slit would be and make them into large loops >around the interior void. Then you have a very close equivalent >to your slitted and hollow PM - the real current in the solenoid >being equivalent to the surface current in the PM. > >Again by the same analysis, you have no magnetic field in the >central void - the current around the very outside is exactly >cancelled out by the current in the reverse direction around >the interior void. As you close the gap the current does not >change and the interior field remains zero. Once the gap is >completely closed the current going into the void, and that >coming back out again, also exactly cancel and so those current >paths may be removed leaving two separate and concentric loops >with equal current in opposite directions. > Unless we are talking about different configurations, I don't think your picture is that of a normal solenoid electromagnet. I agree with you about a PM. For a solenoid, a contour along the axis of the toroid has NI flowing through it, for N turns carrying a current I. Once you push the wires into the cavity, you cross the cavity with the current carrying wire, so now have a different problem! Now the axis contour has zero net current through it, so H= 0. The 2 separate concentric loops don't cancel each others field, unless they have the same radius. The H field at the center of a current carrying loop is I/(2r), so the inner loop will produce the stronger field. However the total H =0. So, if you take the fields from all the other loops (you are outside these), the total must be 0. Something I wouldn't have guessed. Speaking of concentric loops, Ken had an interesting problem several months ago about them. Is it still on your site? >>Also if the magnet has domains, these can have equivalent surface currents. > >Regardless of domains, a permanent magnet has equivalent surface >currents. But these equivalent surface currents will not cause >a net current flow across the longitudinal gap as it is closed. Yes, I was thinking of the field inside the magnet material itself if it was a closed loop. H=0, B= something else. -Dave > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 24 10:56:16 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA15650; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:50:56 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:50:56 -0700 Message-ID: <19980624175014.29788.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:50:14 -0700 (PDT) From: mr mojo Subject: Re: OU electrical generator To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"O71V2.0.Rq3._nJar"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5003 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Okay, here is my two cents... ---Stuart Rae wrote: > > Plasmatic wrote: > > > > > I'm not QUITE sure if that's what it really is, but there is a HUGE thread > > on here about the Newman generator, which sounds alot like this. Can't say > > I ever heard of Richard Clark.... > > > > Yes, I agree about the HUGE Newman thread, and the two things are obviously > connected. So if anyone is unsure as to what this question is REALLY all > about, here's Richard Clark's original comments on the matter!! > > Quote: > > OVER UNITY ELECTRICAL GENERATOR DESIGN > > by > > Richard L. Clark > > > > The best form of an Over Unity Generator would have no moving parts. > > Looking at the common transformer and how it works, provides the > > answer. If I take a DC power supply and connect it to the primary > > of the transformer, I can make a generator of sorts. I'll turn "on" > > the DC to the primary for just an instant and then turn it "off". > > In the secondary, there is a flux linkage, following the primary > > signal, which is some 90% of the input power. Any transformer > > secondary will produce about 180% of the input power in this mode, > > with a gradually applied quarter sine or sawtooth wave shape DC Wrong here. If this was true, then we would need no generators, only transformers. The secondary will never produce power than was input to it. > > input. > > > > But wait, we are throwing recoverable power away in the primary coil > > winding's field collapse. Now, let us apply the DC power input and > > then, when the input power is cut off, switch the primary winding's > > field collapse to the output also. The primary's field collapse > > contributes at least another 90% to the output for a grand total of > > about 270% gain in the over unity generator design. > > Interesting idea, but we have already taken out 90% from the previous secondary output claim. If you charged up up the primary and then removed the current and discharged from both coils, you will get power out of of both coils, but you will not gain anything. As the primary is charged you are setting up a magnetic field in the iron core. When this field collapses it will induce a voltage in the connected coils. There is only so much energy in a magnetic field that can be extracted. Now if you can somehow induce the magnetic field to increase then you can extract extra energy from it. Maybe a cleaver design that resonates at a certain frequency that can extract energy from vaccum will work; but an everyday power transformer will not work any magic. This is a very simplified description of what goes on. Bottom line - under normal conditions a transformer consumes power, it does not deliver extra power. > > The DC power signal, must only take the primary winding up and then > > let go (open) at the top voltage. Thus, the primary can be switched > > to the output to recover it's field collapse. > > > > Electronic switching can accomplish all of these functions at little > > power usage and cost. There, the gain of a transformer Over Unity > > Generator, would probably be around the 250% output power to input > > power, and there is no mechanical motion. > > end of quote: > > Now then, I've NEVER heard ANYONE in this, or any other forum, argue with any > competent of rational intent, that what Richard Clark has said here is > incorrect in terms of conventional EM theory: > And if it is ....... Exactly _WHY_ ?? > > > ============================= > S. N. Rae, > Blenheim, NEW ZEALAND. > mailto:srae@mlb.planet.gen.nz > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 24 12:10:40 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA16263; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 12:07:56 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 12:07:56 -0700 Message-ID: <01BD9F79.265E10C0.stk@sunherald.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Cc: John Schnurer Subject: Podkletnov: what's going on? Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 14:05:30 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"K80fa1.0.wz3.BwKar"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5004 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello John, and all: I have been reading up on what has gone on since the beginning with the Podkletnov gravity shielding experiment, and have kept notes of all my findings, whether big or small. Here is something that I find very interesting and inconsistent about the entire affair: Inconsistencies in the reactions to the Podkletnov gravity shielding experiment: 1. The gravity shielding effect, if real, is perhaps one of the most important physical discoveries of the late 20th century. When the results were published, there were absolutely no major scientific institutions or researchers interested in trying to reproduce these incredible findings. 2. After Podkletnov published his findings, and his co-worker Petri Vuorinen went throught the publication process also for J. Phys (I believe that is the one) which is a quite stringent process, Vuorinen denied any knowledge of Podkletnov's experiment, and clamied he DID NOT EVEN KNOW PODKLETNOV. 3. After Podkletnov made his discovery, the university he worked for, Tampere University, denied any knowledge of his experiments, claimed he was working on his own. Now, if they claim no knowledge of these experiments, why did they forbid Podkletnov access to his gravity shielding device, lock him out of his office, and fire him as well? 4. The official response from the scientific community is that Podkletnov's experiment must be a mistake, since it violates some physics theories. Theory is nothing compared to experiments. 5. Another of Podkletnov's co-authors, Levit, has informed Podkletnov that he is no longer working with Tampere U., and wants no further connection with Podkletnov's experiment. In other words, Levit wants nothing to do with what might be one of the greatest scientific discoveries of the 20th century. I am uneasy with these findings. Not that I don't trust Podkletnov's experiments (I do trust them), its just that it seems there is an active resistance to Podkletnov's work. The questions left are: 1. Who is doing this, and 2. Why? Thoughts anyone? Kyle R. Mcallister Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net Phone: 228-875-0629 http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/5257 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 24 12:51:54 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA31068; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 12:44:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 12:44:54 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 12:44:54 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Jap. Lang. F/E Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"KQFTh1.0.Jb7.rSLar"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5005 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com A new stats service gives referring websites on Sci. Hob. hits. A bunch of hits are coming from a Japanese Language F/E page. For anyone with interest: http://www2.gol.com/users/akihiko/free/index.html "force site" http://telestar.or.jp/~yokoyas/index.html ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 24 16:38:34 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA12462; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:35:39 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:35:39 -0700 (PDT) From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Message 1 of 2 Message-ID: <19980624.192635.3519.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: Conversation <19980622.201332.8271.2.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> with last message <19980622.201332.8271.2.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-12,15-19,21,23-28 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:26:05 EDT Resent-Message-ID: <"V-nae2.0.e23.9rOar"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5006 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi all! Thought I would share this e-mail with the list.... On Mon, 22 Jun 98 21:15:20 PDT "Rick Andersen" writes: >Hi Steve-- >As a matter of fact, I received Email from Bearden just this weekend. >He is completely "into" his work with Fogal, and on to his ongoing >revision of Electromagnetics.... You can pass the following on if you >like: Bearden told me he has 'finally given up on the term Scalar >Electromagnetics'. He now refers to his system simply as "Energetics" (which term >the >Soviets used to use) and now states that all of this can be viewed as a subset >of "Superpotential Theory". >Regarding Bedini, Schnurer, Golden: I asked him specifically about >Golden, and his earlier comunications devices. He still cannot, after all >these years, divulge anything to us, because of nondisclosure agreements. >Let me copy my the exact words he and I exchanged and I'll Email you >in the message following this one. >--Rick > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 24 16:49:08 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA25148; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:43:47 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:43:47 -0700 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Podkletnov: what's going on? Message-ID: <19980624.194243.3519.2.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <01BD9F79.265E10C0.stk@sunherald.infi.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-10,14-16 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:42:19 EDT Resent-Message-ID: <"qCFTk2.0.X86.oyOar"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5007 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Wed, 24 Jun 1998 14:05:30 -0500 "Kyle R. Mcallister" The questions left are: >1. Who is doing this, and >2. Why? > >Thoughts anyone? >Kyle R. Mcallister I can't speculate (actually I could but won't)but I did seem NASA was interested for awhile....I posted about the small article in Popular Mechanics last fall (please don't ask which month because some guys in dark suits were seen going through my files, and now I can't find it!). Steve Heckman _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 24 18:26:40 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA28099; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 18:22:00 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 18:22:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980625091616.008abda0@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> X-Sender: jwinter@cyllene.uwa.edu.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:16:16 +0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: John Winterflood Subject: Re: Magnetics Question In-Reply-To: <199806241532.IAA23600@sweden.it.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"R6eBw1.0.us6.mOQar"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5008 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dave wrote: >>>I still think the toroid solenoid is different than the PM, as the circular >>>slit cannot be made without cutting the turns, thus a field would be there. >> >>Imagine that instead of cutting the solenoid windings, you push >>them in where the slit would be and make them into large loops >>around the interior void. Then you have a very close equivalent >>to your slitted and hollow PM - the real current in the solenoid >>being equivalent to the surface current in the PM. >> >>Again by the same analysis, you have no magnetic field in the >>central void - the current around the very outside is exactly >>cancelled out by the current in the reverse direction around >>the interior void. As you close the gap the current does not >>change and the interior field remains zero. Once the gap is >>completely closed the current going into the void, and that >>coming back out again, also exactly cancel and so those current >>paths may be removed leaving two separate and concentric loops >>with equal current in opposite directions. >> >Unless we are talking about different configurations, I don't think your >picture is that of a normal solenoid electromagnet. I agree with you about >a PM. For a solenoid, a contour along the axis of the toroid has NI flowing >through it, for N turns carrying a current I. Once you push the wires into >the cavity, you cross the cavity with the current carrying wire, so now have >a different problem! You are calling it a different problem, but I was considering it to be the same problem as the one under discussion - the hollowed out permanent magnet. You are obviously right that a normal solenoid has a field in the hollow area surrounded by the current sheath. >Now the axis contour has zero net current through it, >so H= 0. Exactly! As with the entire hollowed out area. >The 2 separate concentric loops don't cancel each others field, unless they >have the same radius. The H field at the center of a current carrying loop >is I/(2r), I think this formula is for the centre of a single current loop as you may have guessed. For a single loop H is not constant over the area but is very much stronger near the loop than at the centre of the area. This is not true once the solenoid becomes very long (or wraps into a toroid). Then the field strength over the entire internal volume becomes constant if I remember rightly and must only depend on current per unit solenoid length and be independent of radius. >..so the inner loop will produce the stronger field. >However the total H =0. So, if you take the fields from all the other loops >(you are outside these), the total must be 0. Something I wouldn't have guessed. >Speaking of concentric loops, Ken had an interesting problem several months >ago about them. Is it still on your site? I didn't see any posting from a Ken yet. Maybe some messages are getting dropped. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 24 20:42:12 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA10589; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:38:48 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:38:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3591C672.2CF1@servtech.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:39:31 -0400 From: "Robert W. Gray" Reply-To: rwgray@servtech.com Organization: P.D.Structures X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: discjt@servtech.com Subject: Searl starts talking magnetic bubbles.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YfQrJ1.0.Jb2.6PSar"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5009 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wow!! I just looked at Searl's D.I.S.C. web page. I didn't think my note to freenrg-l@eskimo.com about using magnetic bubbles to move a magnetic material in a magnetic field gradient would have generated such a response. >From the UK DISC web page (http://www.tako.demon.co.uk/) (my comments are within frames): It has been brought to DISC's attention of an article by a Robert W. GRAY which contains some statements which are not TRUE! Yes he joined the USA team to research and develop the S.E.G. No he did not work in close contact with Prof. Searl. Prof. Searl has no knowledge whatsoever upon what he was doing. To Prof. Searl knowledge he failed to carry out his requirements and therefore could not have obtained anything of value. He might have obtained a few of Prof. Searl's short form books from John Thomas, USA, but he has never obtained the full blown colour versions from Prof. Searl. If he had he would have known all the facts which he appears to be short of. Reference to the point that he had never heard Prof. Searl state bubbles - Prof. Searl has so often wrote about that point and in one of the videos you hear a witness state that you can feel it pulsing over the bubbles. As the research here in the UK has shown, there is much more involved than just magnetic bubbles. The team that was recorded by German TV had been changed and is quoted in DISC's graphic display. Reference to Mr GRAY getting a patent on it is doubtful as our legal department will be informing the Patent Office about it. Apart from Prof. Searl, so far to date no person has yet made the S.E.G. as they do not listen to the instructions given and follow what they think those instructions are - results in failure, loss of time and money. When are people going to learn to do what they are instructed to do? S.E.G. should have been up and running over the last 2 years - but Martin and Ken thought they could do it without Prof. Searl again - and failed - but as the video shows one of the recent attempts was better than the others - the rollers stayed on the plate and one roller can easily be pulsed around the plate as fast as you like. But it was still made incorrectly! Bob Gray From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 24 21:11:30 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA14687; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:03:45 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:03:45 -0700 (PDT) From: mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca Message-Id: <199806250356.XAA06746@romeo.its.uwo.ca> X-Sender: mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:24:23 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, KeelyNet-L@lists.kz Subject: Don Smith space energy device plans Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"jLmsp.0.Nb3.VmSar"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5010 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Has anyone seen these plans? What is this device? Has anyone build this device? Any info would be appreciated. Chris Gupta From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 24 21:28:15 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA07504; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:23:34 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:23:34 -0700 Message-ID: <19980625042304.10173.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [208.8.144.184] From: "Barbara Myers" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca Subject: Re: Don Smith space energy device plans Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:23:03 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"aEXJH3.0.Ar1.63Tar"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5011 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Which Don Smith? Need location...Barb Myers >From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 24 21:03:45 1998 >Received: (from smartlst@localhost) > by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA14687; > Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:03:45 -0700 (PDT) >Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:03:45 -0700 (PDT) >From: mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca >Message-Id: <199806250356.XAA06746@romeo.its.uwo.ca> >X-Sender: mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 >Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:24:23 -0400 >To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, KeelyNet-L@lists.kz >Subject: Don Smith space energy device plans >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Resent-Message-ID: <"jLmsp.0.Nb3.VmSar"@mx2> >Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5010 >X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >Precedence: list >Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > >Has anyone seen these plans? What is this device? Has anyone build this >device? >Any info would be appreciated. > >Chris Gupta > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 24 22:31:13 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA00245; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 22:27:17 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 22:27:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 22:19:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806250519.WAA17843@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: Podkletnov: what's going on? Resent-Message-ID: <"2aqnw1.0.g3.n-Tar"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5012 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Kyle and all, At 02:05 PM 6/24/98 -0500, you wrote: >Hello John, and all: > >I have been reading up on what has gone on since the beginning with the >Podkletnov gravity shielding experiment, and have kept notes of all my >findings, whether big or small. Here is something that I find very >interesting and inconsistent about the entire affair: > >Inconsistencies in the reactions to the Podkletnov gravity shielding >experiment: ... > The questions left are: >1. Who is doing this, and >2. Why? > I don't know who or why, but if this is true, then it will have major effects, both positive and negative. If the shielding is real, then a wheel can be partly be placed in the shield, and energy extracted from it. If the shielding extends without limit, then an atmosphere vortex could be created where the atmosphere partially is lost. (Imagine if half the Earth's gravity dropped 2%.) Worse, if the earth was shielded partly from the Sun, thin its orbit would slowly increase with a bad cumulative effect! Afaik, from UFO literature, UFO anti-gravity systems apply only to the craft, not to the entire column above it as well! -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Jun 24 23:55:43 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA08873; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:53:20 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:53:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:46:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806250646.XAA07414@sweden.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: Magnetics Question Resent-Message-ID: <"J4WBF2.0.ZA2.UFVar"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5013 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi John and all, At 09:16 AM 6/25/98 +0800, you wrote: >I think this formula is for the centre of a single current loop >as you may have guessed. For a single loop H is not constant >over the area but is very much stronger near the loop than at >the centre of the area. This is not true once the solenoid >becomes very long (or wraps into a toroid). Then the field >strength over the entire internal volume becomes constant if >I remember rightly and must only depend on current per unit >solenoid length and be independent of radius. Actually inside a toroid, the field is easy to calculate. At a point r from the center of rotation, do a contour for Ampere's law. a circle of radius r, where along which H is constant. So the inner portion of a toroid, closer to the axis of rotation, has a (somewhat) stronger field. For a real (finite) solenoid, the calculations are not so easy. For one's I've wound and tried, the field is much stronger near the wire loops. Otherwise I could levitate a steel ball at the axis! With a strong enough field, di-magnetic materials (such as water or a frog) can be levitated, as they move to areas of lesser fields. > >>..so the inner loop will produce the stronger field. >>However the total H =0. So, if you take the fields from all the other loops >>(you are outside these), the total must be 0. Something I wouldn't have >guessed. >>Speaking of concentric loops, Ken had an interesting problem several months >>ago about them. > >I didn't see any posting from a Ken yet. Maybe some messages are >getting dropped. I found the site: It is: http://members.aol.com/Keasy/power.html -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 25 00:32:21 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA09814; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 00:26:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 00:26:28 -0700 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Message-ID: <5f5f90ef.3591fb80@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 03:25:50 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-l@emachine.com Cc: josephnewman@earthlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Negative current coming back to the power supply... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 116 Resent-Message-ID: <"PmMYq2.0.BP2.ZkVar"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5014 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi All, You will find some interesting results in my web site... Now, I have built a new commutator design for my Newman's machine and I am able to produce NEGATIVE CURRENT. This negative current COME BACK TO THE POWER SUPPLY and this can explain why the original Newman's machine has been able to keep its battery charged. I suggest you to see at : http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlnaudin/html/NMac0624.htm Sincerely, Jean-Louis Naudin (France) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 25 00:47:44 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA14043; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 00:45:13 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 00:45:13 -0700 Message-ID: <3591FF6E.46116376@harti.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:42:39 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JNaudin509@aol.com CC: Stefan Hartmann , mrandall@earthlink.net, mrand910@yahoo.com, ddameron@earthlink.net, vramos@ctv.es, Wolf-Dietrich Bauer , newman-list , freenrg-l Subject: Re: Negative current page updated References: <248cfe71.3591fb82@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AIphW.0.KR3.80War"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5015 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com JNaudin509@aol.com wrote: > Hi All, > > I have updated my web page about the negative current generation... > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlnaudin/html/NMac0624.htm > > Jean-Louis Hi, now also my new page is up with the right picture. Have a look at: http://www.overunity.com/nnew/newman10.htm Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 25 04:25:28 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA12645; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 04:22:53 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 04:22:53 -0700 Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 05:22:59 -0600 (MDT) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: vortex-l@eskimo.com cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: What TIME is it? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"k2LAC3.0.U53.CCZar"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5016 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi all, (6.25.98) china+ Like an old television commerical (reference "YOUR" children), "It's Almost Ten O'clock, do you know WHERE your children are?" Quote: "It's almost July 4th, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOUR PRESIDENT IS?" Strange men already/have been here.. (irs?? - maybe - def/gov'mt!) p.s. 'HE' WON'T be BACK in Time (our b-day 7.4.1776) ------------------------- I promise I'll not cross-post, add spam, or drop drawers here again, It's just very, very, very, Very strange to me. -=se=- (little nobody) steve (d*mn the torpedoes- full speed ahead) ekwall ~weird~ - anybody else getting ~visit's?~ Time to unsubscribe? happy 4th! ~weird~science?? sent 6.25.98 @ 5:24 MST 20lines ascii From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 25 06:56:47 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA10351; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 06:51:47 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 06:51:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01BDA015.21828080.stk@sunherald.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: Podkletnov: what's going on? Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:42:04 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"DlRYu.0.fX2.mNbar"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5017 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com -----Original Message----- From: dave dameron [SMTP:ddameron@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 1998 12:20 AM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Podkletnov: what's going on? >If the shielding is real, then a wheel can be partly be placed in the >shield, and energy extracted from it. True. I wonder where the energy to spin the wheel comes from? Then again, where does the energy to accelerate an object toward a gravitating body come from? >If the shielding extends without limit, then an atmosphere vortex could be >created where the atmosphere partially is lost. (Imagine if half the Earth's >gravity dropped 2%.) >Worse, if the earth was shielded partly from the Sun, thin its orbit would >slowly increase with a bad cumulative effect! Afaik, from UFO literature, >UFO anti-gravity systems apply only to the craft, not to the entire column >above it as well! Hmmm...the shielding if used wrong could definitely be dangerous. I wonder if there is any possible way to create just a self contained shielding effect. Then again, the question remains: Is it Modanese's shielding effect, or Li's gravitoelectric/gravitoelectric effect? Kyle R. Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 25 08:31:44 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA29812; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:30:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:30:16 -0700 Message-ID: <19980625152936.14035.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:29:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Anton Rager Subject: Re: What TIME is it? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"-EiCn3.0.WH7.8qcar"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5018 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com What on earth are you typing about Steve? I am completely lost......... Strange men have been where? Please elaborate. Anton Rager Denver, CO a_rager@yahoo.com ---Steve Ekwall wrote: > > Hi all, (6.25.98) china+ > > Like an old television commerical (reference "YOUR" children), > "It's Almost Ten O'clock, do you know WHERE your children are?" > Quote: > "It's almost July 4th, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOUR PRESIDENT IS?" > Strange men already/have been here.. (irs?? - maybe - def/gov'mt!) > > p.s. 'HE' WON'T be BACK in Time (our b-day 7.4.1776) > > ------------------------- > I promise I'll not cross-post, add spam, or drop drawers here again, > It's just very, very, very, Very strange to me. > > -=se=- (little nobody) > steve (d*mn the torpedoes- full speed ahead) ekwall > ~weird~ - anybody else getting ~visit's?~ > Time to unsubscribe? happy 4th! ~weird~science?? > > sent 6.25.98 @ 5:24 MST 20lines ascii > > == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 25 11:59:56 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA25546; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:56:25 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:56:25 -0700 Message-ID: <19980625185554.23880.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [208.8.144.137] From: "Barbara Myers" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: What TIME is it? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:55:54 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"oG8Ev2.0.zE6.Orfar"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5019 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Steve, Interesting topic (What Time Is It?). Do you think it is almost time for the big event? Is FEMA part of the equation or is FEMA on time? Walt Myers >From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 25 04:58:14 1998 >Received: (from smartlst@localhost) > by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA12645; > Thu, 25 Jun 1998 04:22:53 -0700 >Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 04:22:53 -0700 >Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 05:22:59 -0600 (MDT) >From: Steve Ekwall >X-Sender: ekwall2@november >To: vortex-l@eskimo.com >cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >Subject: What TIME is it? >Message-ID: >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >Resent-Message-ID: <"k2LAC3.0.U53.CCZar"@mx1> >Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5016 >X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >Precedence: list >Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > >Hi all, (6.25.98) china+ > > Like an old television commerical (reference "YOUR" children), >"It's Almost Ten O'clock, do you know WHERE your children are?" >Quote: >"It's almost July 4th, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOUR PRESIDENT IS?" >Strange men already/have been here.. (irs?? - maybe - def/gov'mt!) > >p.s. 'HE' WON'T be BACK in Time (our b-day 7.4.1776) > >------------------------- >I promise I'll not cross-post, add spam, or drop drawers here again, >It's just very, very, very, Very strange to me. > >-=se=- (little nobody) >steve (d*mn the torpedoes- full speed ahead) ekwall >~weird~ - anybody else getting ~visit's?~ >Time to unsubscribe? happy 4th! ~weird~science?? > >sent 6.25.98 @ 5:24 MST 20lines ascii > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 25 12:34:27 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA01391; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:29:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:29:20 -0700 Message-ID: <19980625190129.21586.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [208.8.144.137] From: "Barbara Myers" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: Podkletnov: what's going on? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:01:28 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"9Svfs.0.WL.7Kgar"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5020 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Have you read any material from T.T. Brown's experiments concerning electrogravitics? Walt Myers >From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 25 06:53:25 1998 >Received: (from smartlst@localhost) > by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA10351; > Thu, 25 Jun 1998 06:51:47 -0700 (PDT) >Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 06:51:47 -0700 (PDT) >Message-ID: <01BDA015.21828080.stk@sunherald.infi.net> >From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" >To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" >Subject: RE: Podkletnov: what's going on? >Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:42:04 -0500 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Resent-Message-ID: <"DlRYu.0.fX2.mNbar"@mx2> >Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5017 >X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >Precedence: list >Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: dave dameron [SMTP:ddameron@earthlink.net] >Sent: Thursday, June 25, 1998 12:20 AM >To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >Subject: Re: Podkletnov: what's going on? > >>If the shielding is real, then a wheel can be partly be placed in the >>shield, and energy extracted from it. > >True. I wonder where the energy to spin the wheel comes from? Then again, >where does the energy to accelerate an object toward a gravitating body >come from? > >>If the shielding extends without limit, then an atmosphere vortex could be >>created where the atmosphere partially is lost. (Imagine if half the >Earth's >>gravity dropped 2%.) >>Worse, if the earth was shielded partly from the Sun, thin its orbit would >>slowly increase with a bad cumulative effect! Afaik, from UFO literature, >>UFO anti-gravity systems apply only to the craft, not to the entire column >>above it as well! > >Hmmm...the shielding if used wrong could definitely be dangerous. I wonder >if there is any possible way to create just a self contained shielding >effect. Then again, the question remains: Is it Modanese's shielding >effect, or Li's gravitoelectric/gravitoelectric effect? > >Kyle R. Mcallister > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 25 14:43:14 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA30929; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:40:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:40:39 -0700 From: msms@selin.com Message-Id: <199806252140.OAA30764@mx1.eskimo.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: re:Searl starts talking Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:42:43 -0500 X-Mailer: Allaire Cold Fusion 3.1 Resent-Message-ID: <"IS5SY.0.kY7.LFiar"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5021 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com to:Robert W. Gray, Could you post on the web additional information regarding your work on the Searl disk? Do you have a web site with info? construction method? test results? Would you care to share any additional documents on the subject, that you might have obtained while working on the disk and are not yet available on the web? _____________________________________________ Get your free personalized email address at http://www.MyOwnEmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 25 15:31:29 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA09260; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:29:34 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:29:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:01:19 -0600 (MDT) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: What TIME is it? In-Reply-To: <19980625152936.14035.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"iKMof2.0.XG2.Bziar"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5022 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, Anton Rager wrote: What on earth are you typing about Steve? I am completely lost......... Strange men have been where? Please elaborate. > Quote: > "It's almost July 4th, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOUR PRESIDENT IS?" > Strange men already/have been here.. (irs?? - maybe - def/gov'mt!) > ------------------------ Hi Anton, (all) Please Ignore that: Sorry, I shouldn't have written that, I guess I was just pissed on being tax-audited(??) by two guys. They SAID everything was in order, but one of my smot bars with magnets was set on a stack of disks near my computer after they left. ~weird~ (that's ok, I have back-up's everywhere anyway).. Remi asked "What drugs are you on Steve?" He was right, I had been drinking all night (scotch), and never should have typed out anything, H*ll, I'm a businessman, an american, I can get audited too, (no special privledges there). So I apologise again, I shouldn't have sent that. Please Ignore: What TIME is it? thread. I was just got paranoid I guess on it's suddeness (audit) and swiftness of completness (No follow up-required, Everything was OK!).. I was audited here about 12 years ago, and it took months and months of paper trailing. That's been my norm of working with the feds, months & months of trouble. Then the D*mn smot magnet on my disks really got me thinking.. sorry. Then at 5am President Clinton landed in China. Then I went to bed, awoke, and really wished I had never had sent that. Sorry to trouble anyone -=se=- steve (all is ok (THEY said SO!:)) ekwall never-mind =|-< From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 25 15:41:28 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA24718; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:37:14 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:37:14 -0700 Message-ID: <19980625223125.7871.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:31:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Anton Rager Subject: Re: What TIME is it? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"pK0u7.0.526.Q4jar"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5023 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hope it was a good singlemalt scotch ;) That crappy stuff really makes the head throb in the morning. Thanks for the clarification. ---Steve Ekwall wrote: > > On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, Anton Rager wrote: > What on earth are you typing about Steve? I am completely lost......... > Strange men have been where? Please elaborate. > > > Quote: > > "It's almost July 4th, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOUR PRESIDENT IS?" > > Strange men already/have been here.. (irs?? - maybe - def/gov'mt!) > > > ------------------------ > Hi Anton, (all) Please Ignore that: > > Sorry, I shouldn't have written that, I guess I was just pissed on being > tax-audited(??) by two guys. They SAID everything was in order, but one of > my smot bars with magnets was set on a stack of disks near my computer > after they left. ~weird~ (that's ok, I have back-up's everywhere anyway).. > > Remi asked "What drugs are you on Steve?" He was right, I had been > drinking all night (scotch), and never should have typed out anything, > H*ll, I'm a businessman, an american, I can get audited too, (no special > privledges there). So I apologise again, I shouldn't have sent that. > > Please Ignore: What TIME is it? thread. > > I was just got paranoid I guess on it's suddeness (audit) and swiftness of > completness (No follow up-required, Everything was OK!).. I was audited > here about 12 years ago, and it took months and months of paper trailing. > That's been my norm of working with the feds, months & months of trouble. > Then the D*mn smot magnet on my disks really got me thinking.. sorry. > Then at 5am President Clinton landed in China. Then I went to bed, awoke, > and really wished I had never had sent that. > > Sorry to trouble anyone > -=se=- > steve (all is ok (THEY said SO!:)) ekwall > > never-mind =|-< > > > == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 25 16:21:39 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA07115; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:20:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:20:09 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980625231910.006b7278@mail.wincom.net> X-Sender: wood@mail.wincom.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 19:19:10 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wood Subject: Re: Searl starts talking magnetic bubbles.... Resent-Message-ID: <"-BVzd2.0.yk1.eijar"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5024 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Am I missing something on the Searle story.If I had built a backyard contraption that took off into space I would be doing serious work on it rather than an energy generator even if it may operate on a similar basis. His saucer could keep him in research money forever.The only reason I can see he dosn't capitalize on this idea is that it never happened.Does anyone else have a better explanation. On another topic I have redrawn the Gary magnetic motor diagram so it is easier to understand.Some lines were removed some were joined and now it makes more sense.Problem is I mail it out but it never gets posted.How come? Woody From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 25 16:46:00 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA21224; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:42:16 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:42:16 -0700 (PDT) From: alansch@zip.com.au (Alan Schneider) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Searl starts talking magnetic bubbles.... Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 23:34:52 GMT Message-ID: <3593de28.2915632@mail.zip.com.au> References: <2.2.32.19980625231910.006b7278@mail.wincom.net> In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980625231910.006b7278@mail.wincom.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx2.eskimo.com id QAA21192 Resent-Message-ID: <"Vc1L33.0.WB5.L1kar"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5025 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Thu, 25 Jun 1998 19:19:10 -0400, wood wrote: > On another topic I have redrawn the Gary magnetic motor diagram so it is >easier to understand.Some lines were removed some were joined and now it >makes more sense.Problem is I mail it out but it never gets posted.How come? Maybe it's too big. I think the list is set to reject any emails larger than 30-40k or so and that would include the *encoded* size of any attachments. It'd be better to shove the pix onto a web site somewhere (Maybe Bill Beatty would host it) and just post the URL. alan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Jun 25 20:08:41 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA14623; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:05:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:05:43 -0700 Message-ID: <359311E6.196D@servtech.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 23:13:42 -0400 From: "Robert W. Gray" Reply-To: rwgray@servtech.com Organization: P.D.Structures X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: discjt@servtech.com Subject: Re: Searl starts talking References: <199806252140.OAA30764@mx1.eskimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kTDjI3.0.Oa3.60nar"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5026 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >msms@selin.com wrote: > > > to:Robert W. Gray, > Could you post on the web additional information regarding your > work on the Searl disk? > Do you have a web site with info? construction method? test results? > Would you care to share any additional documents on the subject, > that you might have obtained while working on the disk and are not > yet available on the web? > > _____________________________________________ > Get your free personalized email address at > http://www.MyOwnEmail.com > I don't think I know any more than what Searl writes in his books. And I am *sure* I know a *lot less* than what's in his books because his books cover such a wide range of topics. I do not have any web sight on Searl's work. The best web sight I know of on Searl's work is http://www.servtech.com/~discjt/ I am planning a web sight on my magnetic bubble ideas, but its not up yet. All the details, though, I gave out in an earlier note to this list. Bob Gray From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 26 10:47:47 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA16828; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:43:15 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:43:15 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980626174203.006a6008@mail.wincom.net> X-Sender: wood@mail.wincom.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_898897323==_" Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:42:03 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wood Subject: gary motor X-Attachments: A:\gary 2.jpg; Resent-Message-ID: <"Drg6M2.0.Z64.oszar"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5027 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com --=====================_898897323==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have been studying the Gary motor and the rotating motor drawing has always confused me and I imagine it does to a lot of people.I took the liberty of redrawing it by getting rid of unnecessary lines and adding ones that were omitted.I hope this clarifies it for others. 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DauT9c07ZKYtjzsxxgtwCfyFVYdOs7eTclum85y5GW/OppFDYOTnpVGePCjBzzUKggGg/9k= --=====================_898897323==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Woody --=====================_898897323==_-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 26 14:00:10 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA30057; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:54:11 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:54:11 -0700 Message-ID: <000201bda1a6$3a0b3ce0$7cf135ce@slate1> From: "slate" To: Subject: Electrogravitic Equation Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 03:23:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"4cYKZ1.0.UL7.pf0br"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5028 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com E=m(c(c)) m=(c(c))/E What do you think everybody? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 26 14:35:17 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA26447; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:19:03 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:19:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35940CF0.7021056A@idt.net> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:04:48 -0400 From: Josef Katz X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Electrogravitic Equation References: <000201bda1a6$3a0b3ce0$7cf135ce@slate1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_lumn3.0.7T6.211br"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5029 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com look again, it's m=E/(c^2) -joey katz From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 26 16:06:03 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA13121; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:54:08 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:54:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3594229F.19@microtec.net> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 18:37:19 -0400 From: Patrick Tremblay Reply-To: energeon@microtec.net Organization: Energeon X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: CAUSALITY References: <000201bda1a6$3a0b3ce0$7cf135ce@slate1> <35940CF0.7021056A@idt.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"iFQOK.0.uC3.DQ2br"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5030 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I just want to make this remark: Could we consider that "overunity" is in fact some form of causality violation. After all, we have a cause of let's say 100 watts and we get an effect of 10,000 watts ( example ). We could say that the effect is not relevant to the cause so causality is finally violated. I think that Free Energy O/U is bringing us a step closer to time travel. Maybe we could use this technology for an application that would make a coil excited let's say just a micro second before it should than put them in series and actually get signals from the future. It's just a crazy thinking but I can't stop thinking there is more to overunity than just energy. If overunity is that simple, maybe time travel is that simple too. I'm not speaking of going yourself in the future, but tapping information from time. A normal transformer will get at best an out of phase of 90 degrees. But with Steven Sullivan's transformer there would be an even less out of phase. If overunity is possible, than maybe there is a possibility that the phase from the secondary comes before the phase of the primary. In Steven Sullivan's transformer, there is no need for complex pulsating and commutating. It's just a coil in a middle of a torroid, so the magnetic energy coming from the primary induces the secondary on the torroid but the return flux is trapped in the torroid, making it an overunity device because the Back EMF can't reach the primary, it consumes less amps than it should. Because of this, maybe then we could use complex pulses and wave patterns to make the secondary react before the primary. Anyway, I'll finish my page soon on this topic, I'm a practical guy searching for practical solutions. But sometimes I get to my crazy thinking. -- Energeon, 7515 Jodelle, Laval West (quebec), Canada, H7R-5L5, FAX: 1-514-686-6083 PHONE: 1-514-962-1678 Patrick Tremblay energeon@microtec.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 26 16:41:28 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA16418; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:35:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:35:19 -0700 Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 19:05:03 -0400 From: "Glenn F. Hinton" <103510.1772@CompuServe.COM> Subject: gary motor Sender: "Glenn F. Hinton" <103510.1772@CompuServe.COM> To: "INTERNET:freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Message-ID: <199806261905_MC2-5174-2D8B@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id QAA16369 Resent-Message-ID: <"0vNdf1.0.K04.q03br"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5031 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Can you post your "cleaned up version"? (Rotary Gary motor) I figured that I was the only one who never understood that drawing..... Thanks, Glenn Hinton From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 26 16:42:06 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA18846; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:39:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:39:06 -0700 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <35940CF0.7021056A@idt.net> References: <000201bda1a6$3a0b3ce0$7cf135ce@slate1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:37:55 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Electrogravitic Equation Resent-Message-ID: <"-BFLG1.0.Gc4.P43br"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5032 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >look again, it's m=E/(c^2) > >-joey katz Yes. Basic algebra isn't my stroung suit either, but there might be soemthing there. Woodward http://chaos.fullerton.edu/~jimw/general/massfluc/index.htm proposes a transient mechanism where the c^2 gets mostly negated, leaving a large M for a given E. Shake something with the right phase to the appearance of the anomalous transient mass fluctuation, and you get impulse - with no obvious reaction (it's against the "fixed stars" of Mach). He's built gizmos, and has positive results (and a patent). - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 26 17:51:55 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA01705; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:49:27 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:49:27 -0700 (PDT) From: alansch@zip.com.au (Alan Schneider) To: alansch@zip.com.au Subject: HUMOUR: Things ain't what they used to be Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:09:38 GMT Message-ID: <3595c69a.2236465@mail.zip.com.au> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx2.eskimo.com id RAA01685 Resent-Message-ID: <"mCxBq.0.YQ.L64br"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5033 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Here is a charming little poem I stumbled across, which I'd like to share . ============================================================= Things Ain't What They Used To Be Remember when HIPPIE meant big in the hips? and a TRIP involved travel in cars, planes and ships? When POT was a vessel for cooking things in, and HOOKED was what Grandmother's rug might have been? When FIX was a verb that meant mend or repair and BE IN meant simply existing somewhere? When NEAT meant well-organised, tidy and clean, and GRASS was a ground-cover normally green? When lights and not people TURNED ON and OFF and the PILL might have been what you took for a cough? When CAMP meant to sleep outdoors in a tent and POP was the way that the weasel went? When GROOVY meant furrowed with channels and hollows, and BIRDS were winged creatures like robins and swallows? When FUZZ was a substance that's fluffy like lint and BREAD came from bakeries, not from the mint? When SQUARE meant a 90 degree-angled form, and COOL was a temperature, not quite so warm? When ROLL meant a bun, and ROCK was a stone, and HANG UP was something you did to a phone? When CHICKEN meant poultry and BAG meant a sack, and JUNK trashy cast-offs and old bric-a-brac? When JAM was preserves that you spread on your bread, and CRAZY meant barmy, not right in the head? When CAT was a feline, a kitten grown up, and TEA was a liquid you drank from a cup? When SWINGER was someone who swung in a swing, and a PAD was a soft sort of cushiony thing? When WAY OUT meant distant and far, far away, and a man couldn't sue you for calling him GAY? When DIG meant to shovel and spade in the dirt, and PUT ON was what you would do with your shirt? When TOUGH described meat too unyielding to chew, and MAKING A SCENE was a rude thing to do? Words once so sensible, sober and serious Are making the FREAK SCENE quite PSYCHODELIRIOUS. It's GROOVY, MAN, GROOVY but English it's not: Methinks that our language has gone straight to POT. Author unknown. ============================================================= Have a good one. Alan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 26 18:30:45 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA18941; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 18:27:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 18:27:42 -0700 Message-ID: <19980627010707.25729.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [208.8.144.151] From: "Walt Myers" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: joeyk19@idt.net Subject: Re: Electrogravitic Equation Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 18:07:06 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"d-9PT.0.Zd4.Cg4br"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5034 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Joey, Try this equation: -h^2/2u inverted delta^2 hyperon wave function + V hyperon wave function = E hyperon wave function Walt >From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 26 15:05:59 1998 >Received: (from smartlst@localhost) > by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA26447; > Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:19:03 -0700 (PDT) >Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:19:03 -0700 (PDT) >Message-ID: <35940CF0.7021056A@idt.net> >Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:04:48 -0400 >From: Josef Katz >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >Subject: Re: Electrogravitic Equation >References: <000201bda1a6$3a0b3ce0$7cf135ce@slate1> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Resent-Message-ID: <"_lumn3.0.7T6.211br"@mx2> >Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5029 >X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >Precedence: list >Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > >look again, it's m=E/(c^2) > >-joey katz > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 26 18:31:23 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA19308; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 18:28:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 18:28:28 -0700 Message-ID: <35944A40.992E2502@harti.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 03:26:24 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Electrogravitic Equation References: <000201bda1a6$3a0b3ce0$7cf135ce@slate1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kWM_V.0.Vj4.xg4br"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5035 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com slate wrote: > E=m(c(c)) > > m=(c(c))/E > > What do you think everybody? If at all: m=E / c^2 You need VERY VERY VERY MUCH energy to build mass !! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 26 19:03:02 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA30684; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 18:59:56 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 18:59:56 -0700 Message-ID: <01BDA145.061E3420.stk@sunherald.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: Podkletnov: what's going on? Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 20:34:55 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SR24P1.0.JV7.Q85br"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5036 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Myers [SMTP:momentumresearch@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 1998 2:01 PM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: Podkletnov: what's going on? >Have you read any material from T.T. Brown's experiments concerning >electrogravitics? Yes. Don't quite know what to make of them. NASA research claims the effect doesn't exist in a vacuum, but they only used up to 19kV, where Brown used >50kV. I really have no way of knowing if the effect will work in a vacuum or not. Opinion: I don't see how the effect would generate thrust. Then again, I don't know why alot of things happen, so I'll wait this one out. Kyle R. Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 26 19:08:42 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA10262; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 19:07:02 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 19:07:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01BDA145.029CFCA0.stk@sunherald.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: Speculation: care to join me? Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 20:57:16 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"J59ad2.0.GW2.4F5br"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5037 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com All: I learned today that being excessively tired out with a cold can lead to scientific speculation. In this case, FTL travel. Facts (as far as we know): As a particle/object approaches the speed of light, C, its mass increases relative to an outside observer. This fact prevents any particle/object from exceeding the speed of light. Light has zero mass, and therefore travels at C. Non-photonic matter has mass, therefore travels X-Sender: wood@mail.wincom.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 22:51:46 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wood Subject: Re: gary motor Resent-Message-ID: <"WxDzx3.0.kX3.s06br"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5038 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 07:05 PM 6/26/98 -0400, you wrote: >Can you post your "cleaned up version"? (Rotary Gary motor) >I figured that I was the only one who never understood that drawing..... > > >Thanks, >Glenn Hinton > > I hope the posting clears it up for you.Once I dropped the attachment to 25 k it went through ok. Woody From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 26 20:25:07 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA28717; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 20:20:05 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 20:20:05 -0700 Message-ID: <3594561F.7CBE@microtec.net> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 22:17:03 -0400 From: Patrick Tremblay Reply-To: energeon@microtec.net Organization: Energeon X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: SIMPLE References: <01BDA145.029CFCA0.stk@sunherald.infi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8viG-1.0.V07.ZJ6br"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5039 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Kyle, To travel FTL, simply accelerate till you get there. Forget about the observers, they will never see when your ship will travel FTL, but if you keep accelerating, you mass inertia will increase of course. But we could convert this problem into a time, not inertia problem. For an observer, as your ship approaches the speed of light, he will see that your clock is slower than his, then he will see that you will never reach this speed because your clock goes slower and slower so the acceleration is slower and slower and you will definetely freeze in time and space. But for you time is always flowing and you feel no time distorsion, so your clock will continue to work and you will get faster than light. But at this speed, it will have taken you infinite time to get there. So when you get at this speed and through a mathematical calculation you figured out that let's say 12 o'clock you reached light speed. Then you choose to stop and get at a speed of 1 km/second. You will have reached the void. What comes after infinite time ? Don't expect to go back home, it will have taken you infinite earth years to reach the speed, even if it seemed a fraction of second in your ship. Billions of years is nothing. Anyway, why waste time and money on FTL, there exist something called quantum coupling, in which two particules communicated with each other instantly. Why don't we make a communicator to send information light years away instantly ? Or control the Mars Pathfinder in real time, instead of the 20 minutes delay, and the communication would be crystal clear. -- Energeon, 7515 Jodelle, Laval West (quebec), Canada, H7R-5L5, FAX: 1-514-686-6083 PHONE: 1-514-962-1678 Patrick Tremblay energeon@microtec.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 26 20:52:16 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA04973; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 20:47:50 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 20:47:50 -0700 Message-ID: <004001bda17e$97130800$3e3cd6d1@martylin> From: "MartyDonna" To: Subject: Re: Speculation: care to join me? Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 23:49:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"2PLO-3.0.bD1.bj6br"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5040 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com How fast does a electron travel around the atom at? -----Original Message----- From: Kyle R. Mcallister To: 'freenrg-l@eskimo.com' Date: Friday, June 26, 1998 10:06 PM Subject: Speculation: care to join me? >All: > >I learned today that being excessively tired out with a cold can lead to >scientific speculation. In this case, FTL travel. > >Facts (as far as we know): As a particle/object approaches the speed of >light, C, its mass increases relative to an outside observer. This fact >prevents any particle/object from exceeding the speed of light. >Light has zero mass, and therefore travels at C. Non-photonic matter has >mass, therefore travels >Question: How can a spacecraft be made to exceed C? > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 26 22:24:58 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA28797; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 22:21:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 22:21:57 -0700 Message-ID: <19980627052124.24171.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [208.8.144.148] From: "Walt Myers" To: energeon@microtec.net Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SIMPLE Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 22:21:23 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"mYN0m.0.s17.q58br"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5041 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com If mass accelerates to light squared, then mass becomes energy. Thus, explaining m=ec^2. Therefore, if an object is in space, it can acheive speeds faster than the speed of light. But not at the point of being light squared. Walt >From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 26 20:51:18 1998 >Received: (from smartlst@localhost) > by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA28717; > Fri, 26 Jun 1998 20:20:05 -0700 >Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 20:20:05 -0700 >Message-ID: <3594561F.7CBE@microtec.net> >Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 22:17:03 -0400 >From: Patrick Tremblay >Reply-To: energeon@microtec.net >Organization: Energeon >X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >Subject: SIMPLE >References: <01BDA145.029CFCA0.stk@sunherald.infi.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Resent-Message-ID: <"8viG-1.0.V07.ZJ6br"@mx1> >Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5039 >X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >Precedence: list >Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > >Kyle, > >To travel FTL, simply accelerate till you get there. Forget about the >observers, they will never see when your ship will travel FTL, but if >you keep accelerating, you mass inertia will increase of course. But we >could convert this problem into a time, not inertia problem. > >For an observer, as your ship approaches the speed of light, he will see >that your clock is slower than his, then he will see that you will never >reach this speed because your clock goes slower and slower so the >acceleration is slower and slower and you will definetely freeze in time >and space. > >But for you time is always flowing and you feel no time distorsion, so >your clock will continue to work and you will get faster than light. But >at this speed, it will have taken you infinite time to get there. So >when you get at this speed and through a mathematical calculation you >figured out that let's say 12 o'clock you reached light speed. Then you >choose to stop and get at a speed of 1 km/second. > >You will have reached the void. What comes after infinite time ? Don't >expect to go back home, it will have taken you infinite earth years to >reach the speed, even if it seemed a fraction of second in your ship. >Billions of years is nothing. > >Anyway, why waste time and money on FTL, there exist something called >quantum coupling, in which two particules communicated with each other >instantly. Why don't we make a communicator to send information light >years away instantly ? Or control the Mars Pathfinder in real time, >instead of the 20 minutes delay, and the communication would be crystal >clear. >-- >Energeon, 7515 Jodelle, Laval West (quebec), Canada, H7R-5L5, >FAX: 1-514-686-6083 PHONE: 1-514-962-1678 >Patrick Tremblay >energeon@microtec.net > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Jun 26 23:33:26 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA06840; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 23:31:40 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 23:31:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 23:24:20 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty Reply-To: William Beaty To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" cc: John Schnurer Subject: Re: Podkletnov: what's going on? In-Reply-To: <01BD9F79.265E10C0.stk@sunherald.infi.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"rLeK82.0.kg1.A79br"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5042 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: > I am uneasy with these findings. Not that I don't trust Podkletnov's > experiments (I do trust them), its just that it seems there is an active > resistance to Podkletnov's work. The questions left are: > 1. Who is doing this, and > 2. Why? Welcome to the world of science politics. This same sort of garbage has been going on for centuries. No doubt some ape ancestors tore apart the "weird creative" apes who suddenly started doing alien things, like using tools. For an excellent review of the history of closemindedness in science, see the book FORBIDDEN SCIENCE (also published as ALTERNATIVE SCIENCE in the USA), by Richard Milton. Or just in general, check out the history of Ahrrenius' discovery of ions, or Chandrashekar's theory of black holes, or the Wright Brothers' attempts to get anyone to come and watch their aircraft fly. Same stories as Podkletnov's. The majority of human beings are deeply damaged, hateful, closeminded xenophobes, scientists included. However, we are experts at hiding this and convincing ourselves that this is untrue. Look at a gradeschool playground, watch what happens when one kid picks on a younger one. Many other kids suddenly ATTACK THE LITTLE KID TOO! There is a Sociology term for this, but I remember it as "Playground Bulley Effect." As we grow up, we don't change that much, we just learn to hide the more shameful of our actions. Look how many people stood up for Podkletnov. It's the "playground bully effect"; as soon as Podkletnov is attacked, all his close collegues leap in to kick him too. Everyone is attacking him, that many people must know what they're doing, Podkletnov must have done something terrible, let's get him! Gotta stay on the winning side, and it is obvious that antigravity discoveries are for losers. :) There could be conspiracies involved too, of course. But if there were none, the attacks on Podkletnov would still be expected to occur just as they did. It's what scientists have always done to each other all through history. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 27 00:54:59 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA14237; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 00:53:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 00:53:19 -0700 From: rvanspaa@vic.bigpond.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Speculation: care to join me? Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 07:53:18 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <3596a4b1.199135005@mail-hub> References: <004001bda17e$97130800$3e3cd6d1@martylin> In-Reply-To: <004001bda17e$97130800$3e3cd6d1@martylin> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8t7GI1.0.HU3.lJAbr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5044 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Fri, 26 Jun 1998 23:49:29 -0400, MartyDonna wrote: >How fast does a electron travel around the atom at? [snip] c*alpha (i.e. roughly c/137) in the ground state of the hydrogen atom. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 27 00:55:12 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA14157; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 00:52:27 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 00:52:27 -0700 From: rvanspaa@vic.bigpond.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SIMPLE Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 07:51:48 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <3595a28b.198584693@mail-hub> References: <01BDA145.029CFCA0.stk@sunherald.infi.net> <3594561F.7CBE@microtec.net> In-Reply-To: <3594561F.7CBE@microtec.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WKqI12.0.7T3.wIAbr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5043 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Fri, 26 Jun 1998 22:17:03 -0400, Patrick Tremblay wrote: >Kyle, > >To travel FTL, simply accelerate till you get there. Forget about the >observers, they will never see when your ship will travel FTL, but if >you keep accelerating, you mass inertia will increase of course. But we >could convert this problem into a time, not inertia problem. > >For an observer, as your ship approaches the speed of light, he will see >that your clock is slower than his, then he will see that you will never >reach this speed because your clock goes slower and slower so the >acceleration is slower and slower and you will definetely freeze in time >and space. Not quite. Only in time. > >But for you time is always flowing and you feel no time distorsion, so >your clock will continue to work and you will get faster than light. But I presume that by this you mean, that the time by your clock will be less than that by the clock "on the ground", so it would seem to you that you travelled faster than light, while you travelled. >at this speed, it will have taken you infinite time to get there. No, according to your clock, you will get there in almost no time at all, depending on how close to the speed of light you get. According to the clock "on the ground" it takes you a bit longer than the distance you had to travel divided by the speed of light. [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 27 01:22:39 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA20558; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 01:20:21 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 01:20:21 -0700 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 04:19:37 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: newman-l@emachine.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: The Newman's Machine keys found on 06-27-98 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 116 Resent-Message-ID: <"ALk1p1.0.615.4jAbr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5045 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi All, You will find the summary of the Newman's Machine keys that we have found today (06-27-98) at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlnaudin/html/NWMkeys.htm More to come soon, the investigation continue..... :-) Sincerely, Jean-Louis Naudin From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 27 07:37:00 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA24485; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 07:34:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 07:34:12 -0700 Message-ID: <01BDA1AE.67EB57A0.stk@sunherald.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: SIMPLE Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 09:31:46 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"asTz73.0.S-5.aBGbr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5046 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com -----Original Message----- From: Robin van Spaandonk [SMTP:rvanspaa@vic.bigpond.net.au] Sent: Saturday, June 27, 1998 2:52 AM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SIMPLE >No, according to your clock, you will get there in almost no time at >all, depending on how close to the speed of light you get. According >to the clock "on the ground" it takes you a bit longer than the >distance you had to travel divided by the speed of light. Agreed. But what I intended to ask is how can a spacecraft be accelerated to FTL speed as viewed from the reference frame of the earth? (true FTL propulsion). Kyle R. Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 27 07:43:08 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA09963; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 07:41:40 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 07:41:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01BDA1AE.6B529E80.stk@sunherald.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Cc: John Schnurer Subject: RE: Podkletnov: what's going on? Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 09:29:22 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"agpGk3.0.aR2.ZIGbr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5047 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com -----Original Message----- From: William Beaty [SMTP:billb@eskimo.com] Sent: Saturday, June 27, 1998 1:24 AM To: 'freenrg-l@eskimo.com' Cc: John Schnurer Subject: Re: Podkletnov: what's going on? >There could be conspiracies involved too, of course. But if there were >none, the attacks on Podkletnov would still be expected to occur just as >they did. It's what scientists have always done to each other all through >history. In a way it is a conspiracy; a conspiracy of scientists who do not want to have to revise their theories to fit experimental evidence. Reminiscent of how the clerics of old treated Galileo. Kyle R. Mcallister BTW: Does anyone know if Podkletnov is still working on his gravity shielding experiments, or has he quit? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 27 08:01:04 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA28163; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 07:58:45 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 07:58:45 -0700 Message-ID: <359507D3.B8E0D0C4@harti.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 16:55:15 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JNaudin509@aol.com CC: Stefan Hartmann , ddameron@earthlink.net, mrandall@earthlink.net, mrand910@yahoo.com, josephnewman@earthlink.net, newman-list , freenrg-l Subject: Solid State Newman generator proposal Online ! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kpM8v.0.tt6.aYGbr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5048 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi All, you will find my new Solid State Newman generator proposal now at: http://www.overunity.com/nnew/newman11.htm -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 27 09:22:44 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA20409; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 09:21:21 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 09:21:21 -0700 (PDT) ived: by odin.dreams.de with MERCUR-SMTP/POP3-Server (v2.10) for at Sat, 27 Jun 98 17:10:21 +0100 Message-ID: <359519A4.7A16EA0E@harti.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 18:11:17 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: leoguitar@vossnet.de CC: JNaudin509@aol.com, ddameron@earthlink.net, mrandall@earthlink.net, mrand910@yahoo.com, josephnewman@earthlink.net, newman-list , freenrg-l Subject: Re: Solid State Newman generator proposal Online ! References: <359507D3.B8E0D0C4@harti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"byIhk2.0.p-4._lHbr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5049 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi All, you will find my new Solid State Newman generator proposal now at: http://www.overunity.com/nnew/newman11.htm -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com Use our automatic creditcard billing at: http://ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 27 09:54:42 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA17177; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 09:52:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 09:52:35 -0700 Message-ID: <007501bda1ec$3bd7e3c0$3e3cd6d1@martylin> From: "MartyDonna" To: Subject: Re: Speculation: care to join me? Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 12:54:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"_6I6j1.0.GC4.IDIbr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5050 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Is it possible to slow down the spin or speed it up? -----Original Message----- From: Robin van Spaandonk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, June 27, 1998 3:56 AM Subject: Re: Speculation: care to join me? >On Fri, 26 Jun 1998 23:49:29 -0400, MartyDonna wrote: > >>How fast does a electron travel around the atom at? >[snip] >c*alpha (i.e. roughly c/137) in the ground state of the hydrogen atom. > >Regards, > >Robin van Spaandonk > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 27 12:13:10 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA08154; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 12:10:58 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 12:10:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 12:03:35 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Wired Mag (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"xhrQV.0.K_1.-EKbr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5051 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Forwarded msg: > For those interestd, the July issue of Wired Mag (on stands now) has a > nice article on the NASA Breakthrough Propulsion Physics program, > discussing warp drive, ZPE, etc. As might be expected, yours truly gets > about a page of PR in the article. > > Hal Puthoff ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 27 13:03:27 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA27699; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:00:41 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:00:41 -0700 Message-Id: <199806271959.QAA11976@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" Organization: Computec Ltda To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 17:00:56 -3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: CAUSALITY Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3594229F.19@microtec.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"Jkp0Y2.0.cm6.fzKbr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5052 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > > A normal transformer will get at best an out of phase of 90 degrees. But > with Steven Sullivan's transformer there would be an even less out of > phase. If overunity is possible, than maybe there is a possibility that > the phase from the secondary comes before the phase of the primary. > > In Steven Sullivan's transformer, there is no need for complex pulsating > and commutating. It's just a coil in a middle of a torroid, so the > magnetic energy coming from the primary induces the secondary on the > torroid but the return flux is trapped in the torroid, making it an > overunity device because the Back EMF can't reach the primary, it > consumes less amps than it should. > Where could I get more info about this toroidal transformer ? --- Marcelo Puhl mark@plug-in.com.br From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 27 17:03:41 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA07878; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 17:02:37 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 17:02:37 -0700 (PDT) From: rvanspaa@vic.bigpond.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SIMPLE Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 23:55:15 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <3595861d.256860543@mail-hub> References: <01BDA1AE.67EB57A0.stk@sunherald.infi.net> In-Reply-To: <01BDA1AE.67EB57A0.stk@sunherald.infi.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AMHOR1.0.0x1.RWObr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5053 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sat, 27 Jun 1998 09:31:46 -0500, Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: [snip] >Agreed. But what I intended to ask is how can a spacecraft be accelerated >to FTL speed as viewed from the reference frame of the earth? (true FTL >propulsion). > >Kyle R. Mcallister If we knew that, we'd be travelling to the stars, instead of trying to get to the moon or mars. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 27 17:09:15 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA06054; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 17:06:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 17:06:44 -0700 From: rvanspaa@vic.bigpond.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Speculation: care to join me? Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 00:06:42 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <359687d4.257299317@mail-hub> References: <007501bda1ec$3bd7e3c0$3e3cd6d1@martylin> In-Reply-To: <007501bda1ec$3bd7e3c0$3e3cd6d1@martylin> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LQCM53.0.RU1.KaObr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5054 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sat, 27 Jun 1998 12:54:20 -0400, MartyDonna wrote: >Is it possible to slow down the spin or speed it up? [snip] I think that in excited states (i.e. after the atom has absorbed a photon, what you might like to think of as a higher orbit), the electron has a lower velocity. If you choose to believe Dr. John Mills (www.blacklightpower.com), then it can also go faster, in lower "orbits", in which case he calls the hydrogen atom a "hydrino". Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 27 18:36:30 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA19300; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 18:34:45 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 18:34:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 20:27:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199806280127.UAA10573@dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com> From: rwall@ix.netcom.com (Richard Wayne Wall) Subject: Address Change To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"1oDVe1.0.Nj4.msPbr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5055 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com 6/26/98 Bill, Please change my email address for Vortex-l and Freenrg-l to rwall@gateway.net. If you are not able to do it, please advise how to do it. Thanks, RWW From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 27 18:42:40 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA23236; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 18:40:47 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 18:40:47 -0700 Message-ID: <001201bda236$059f46a0$3d3cd6d1@martylin> From: "MartyDonna" To: Subject: Re: Speculation: care to join me? Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 21:42:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"oDx0m2.0.-g5.VyPbr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5056 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This might sound stupid & probaly will. All I know is electronics and that was in 85. Forgot most of the theory since then & a lot of it didn't seem to add up. If a electron moving from 1 band to a higher band then back to it's orginal state a energy is created. If you remove or add a electron from the atom a energy is created. If you align the spinning of lots of them in the same direction a energy is created. It would seem that slowing it down or speeding it up in its orbit some kind of energy would be created? Now for the REAL stupid stuff. I still don't beleive that light is a actual material that has no weight called something just to make some formula's to add up & make sense. It seems to be just another energy level like anything else, created by a certain state like electricity, heat, radio waves, microwaves etc. Which don't really exist unless you a atom for it act upon. >On Sat, 27 Jun 1998 12:54:20 -0400, MartyDonna wrote: >>Is it possible to slow down the spin or speed it up? >I think that in excited states (i.e. after the atom has absorbed a >photon, what you might like to think of as a higher orbit), the >electron has a lower velocity. If you choose to believe Dr. John Mills >(www.blacklightpower.com), then it can also go faster, in lower >"orbits", in which case he calls the hydrogen atom a "hydrino". > > >Regards, > >Robin van Spaandonk > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 27 19:10:39 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA23667; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 19:09:19 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 19:09:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 19:01:58 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: a f/e animation Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Q_rgK2.0.bn5.BNQbr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5058 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Finally, a simple device which taps a recently-discovered source of inexhaustible energy: http://prisoner.soe.bcit.bc.ca/rjw/pmm/mach/useless/heatX.gif ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 27 19:15:01 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA23568; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 19:08:38 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 19:08:38 -0700 (PDT) From: rvanspaa@vic.bigpond.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Speculation: care to join me? Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 02:01:16 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <3597a0e0.263712440@mail-hub> References: <001201bda236$059f46a0$3d3cd6d1@martylin> In-Reply-To: <001201bda236$059f46a0$3d3cd6d1@martylin> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Zjq-k3.0.Am5.aMQbr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5057 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sat, 27 Jun 1998 21:42:32 -0400, MartyDonna wrote: >This might sound stupid & probaly will. All I know is electronics and that >was in 85. Forgot most of the theory since then & a lot of it didn't seem to >add up. At least you have the courage to ask what you don't understand, many of us don't. > >If a electron moving from 1 band to a higher band then back to it's orginal >state a energy is created. It takes a certain fixed amount of energy to move an electron to a higher band. When it drops back again to the original level, exactly the same amount of energy is released again, as a photon. >If you remove or add a electron from the atom a energy is created. Almost. It costs energy to remove an electron. When it is added, you get the energy back. >If you align the spinning of lots of them in the same direction a energy is >created. >It would seem that slowing it down or speeding it up in its orbit some kind >of energy would be created? Energy is never actually created, unless you want to call conversion of mass into energy, energy creation. When an electron drops to a lower orbit, it gives off energy as a photon, and speeds up. In order to make it slow down, and go to a higher orbit, you have to add energy. This may sound strange, but the reason is that the "potential" energy of the electron also changes between orbits, twice as much as the speed energy (kinetic energy) of the electron. > >Now for the REAL stupid stuff. >I still don't beleive that light is a actual material that has no weight >called something just to make some formula's to add up & make sense. It >seems to be just another energy level like anything else, created by a Light is a form of energy. Whether or not it has some mass, is still debated (to some extent) by even the most knowledgeable scientists on Earth, so you might be right about that ;). >certain state like electricity, heat, radio waves, microwaves etc. Which >don't really exist unless you a atom for it act upon. Think about shadows. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 27 21:03:40 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA20417; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 20:56:58 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 20:56:58 -0700 Message-ID: <3595BDDB.32296D14@darknet.net> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 23:51:55 -0400 From: Steve Organization: DarkNet Online/Digital Fusion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: a f/e animation References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IOYmg1.0.x-4.9yRbr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5059 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > Finally, a simple device which taps a recently-discovered source of > inexhaustible energy: > > http://prisoner.soe.bcit.bc.ca/rjw/pmm/mach/useless/heatX.gif LOL.. my site has won that "hot site" award, but I've never seen the other one before.. Also.. this is sort of off topic and is just an idea, but would anyone be interested in using a "free energy web-ring"? I just thought that might be cool to link together some of the F/E and other sites like that.. sort of like the one Jerry Decker currently has on KeelyNet, but devoted entirely to free energy research pages (or cold fusion research, or anti-gravity, or anything..) If anyone would be interested in setting this up, I'd be glad to do the graphics for it and possibly provide server space for the website.. anyway, just some ideas.. ttyl -Steve -- darklord@darknet.net | UIN: 5113616 DarkNet Online: http://www.darknet.net Digital Fusion: http://www.darknet.net/fusion From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 27 21:26:37 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA24440; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 21:23:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 21:23:38 -0700 Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 22:22:54 -0600 (MDT) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Address Change In-Reply-To: <199806280127.UAA10573@dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"P0UQ_3.0.iz5.9LSbr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5060 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sat, 27 Jun 1998, Richard Wayne Wall wrote: 6/26/98 Bill, Please change my email address for Vortex-l and Freenrg-l to rwall@gateway.net. If you are not able to do it, please advise how to do it. Thanks, RWW ----------------- Richard: try (1) unsubscribe old (acct.), (2) resubscribe new (acct.) were new = rwall@gateway.net Hope this is helps? requires access to ~old server one time~ :( ?? -=se=- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Jun 27 22:31:41 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA06695; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 22:29:22 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 22:29:22 -0700 Message-ID: <3595D4B5.BBB910B@t-link.net> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 19:29:25 -1000 From: Alastair Couper Reply-To: aquarius@t-link.net Organization: aquarian electronics X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Gary Motor References: <199806262342.QAA20850@mx1.eskimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Y8QDD1.0.We1.nITbr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5061 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I recall that the written description of the motor makes the point that it is the so-called neutral point phenomena that makes it work. I have taken a simple flat iron bar with a compass on top, and held it over the poles of a horseshoe magnet. As I lifted the bar up away from the poles, at a distance of about 6 inches or more the polarity of the bar's residual field did indeed reverse. I still have no explaination for this. The effect was so weak however, and occurred at such a larger distance from the magnet than what was shown in the written description, that I did not persue it further. Somehow I don't think the motor's magnets were necessarily all that strong. Perhaps the magnets were forced to reverse their polarity (ie they had low coercivity), and that allowed the neutral point phenomena to be different than what I've seen with simple iron and strong modern materials. Gary was in the late 1800s. What was the flux/ coercivity of the material likely used then? -- Alastair Couper aquarius@ccmaui.net Aquarian Electronics Maui, Hawaii http://www.ccmaui.net/~aquarius/aquarian.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 28 11:06:23 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA14565; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 11:03:22 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 11:03:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 11:01:25 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty Reply-To: William Beaty To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" cc: John Schnurer Subject: RE: Podkletnov: what's going on? In-Reply-To: <01BDA1AE.6B529E80.stk@sunherald.infi.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"HSvUE3.0.KZ3.fLebr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5062 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sat, 27 Jun 1998, Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: > In a way it is a conspiracy; a conspiracy of scientists who do not want to > have to revise their theories to fit experimental evidence. Reminiscent of > how the clerics of old treated Galileo. I'd call it bigotry, rather than conspiracy. If we don't actually "conspire", but instead we all just automatically play "hate the weird discovery", then no conspiracy is needed. When arguing with normal science people, it is wise to avoid bringing up conspiracy unless there is good reason. If we harp on conspiracy, we will be dismissed as paranoid fools. If we instead give evidence regarding widespread scientific prejudice against new ideas, then MAYBE someone will sit up and take notice. I think "conspiracy" is a word that pushes peoples' buttons. On the other hand, accusing someone of "prejudice" and "bigotry" pushes much more desireable buttons. Also, it is much more worthwhile to make people sensitive to their own closemindedness, rather than trying to convince them to search for some sort of conspiracy which may or may not exist. > BTW: Does anyone know if Podkletnov is still working on his gravity > shielding experiments, or has he quit? I recall reading somewhere that the NASA group was bringing him in to help them with their large-diameter HTSC disk. I thought at the time, "Yay!, its about time." Was this just a rumor? ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 28 12:07:28 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA19675; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 12:04:37 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 12:04:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01BDA29B.F88F1880.stk@sunherald.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Cc: John Schnurer Subject: RE: Podkletnov: what's going on? Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:52:19 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yDDEY3.0.Lp4.3Ffbr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5063 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com -----Original Message----- From: William Beaty [SMTP:billb@eskimo.com] Sent: Sunday, June 28, 1998 1:01 PM To: 'freenrg-l@eskimo.com' Cc: John Schnurer Subject: RE: Podkletnov: what's going on? >I'd call it bigotry, rather than conspiracy. If we don't actually >"conspire", but instead we all just automatically play "hate the weird >discovery", then no conspiracy is needed. I agree. Conspiracy was the first word that came to mind. (probably because I just got off the phone with a friend who is big on conspiracy stuff:-) Bigotry it definately is. >I recall reading somewhere that the NASA group was bringing him in to help >them with their large-diameter HTSC disk. I thought at the time, "Yay!, >its about time." Was this just a rumor? Pete Skeggs' site says that this is true, and I have read about it elsewhere. I wonder if there is a way to increase the shielding effect from 2.1% to, say, double that? Kyle R. Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 28 12:23:16 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA06818; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 12:20:23 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 12:20:23 -0700 Message-ID: From: Charles Wilde To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Cc: John Schnurer Subject: RE: Podkletnov: what's going on? Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 12:25:08 -0700 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"goMQs.0.Mg1.sTfbr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5064 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com William Beaty wrote: I'd call it bigotry, rather than conspiracy. If we don't actually "conspire", but instead we all just automatically play "hate the weird discovery", then no conspiracy is needed. --------------------------------------- Bigotry rather than conspiracy. Most probably. Moray King put it very eloqently in his book "Tapping the Zero Point Energy": "It turns out that through the years many inventors have wittingly or unwittingly utilized techniques that induced a cohering interaction with the zero-point energy. The study of the plight of these inventors teaches an important lesson: Basically, an invention that violates the scientific paradigm (i.e., the "known" world view) will be rejected or ignored by the scientific community. All patents are disallowed, for they sound like perpetual motion. A working device that can tap appreciable amounts of energy will cause extreme pressure to be brought onto the inventor. He well be squeezed between those who wish to steal it and those who wish to suppress it. A lone inventor has absolutely no chance. Is there anything he can do? "The answer is yes, if the inventor can see the big picture. Primarily, the inventor must understand that humanity rejects any working invention that violates the recognized paradigm or world view. It is nothing personal or novel to our age; this has been the case throughout history. Paradigms have shifted in the history of mankind as well as in the history of science. What causes a paradigm shift is the creation of a repeating experiment. Repetition is most important for if the results are not witness by most of the scientific community, the experiment will be ignored. The experiment must also be simple for there is no funding available to produce an experiment that violates the paradigm, at least in the initial stages. But there are young people, students and inventors with that "can do" attitude who would be most willing to repeat an experiment that would uplift the world. These people are our greatest resource. As a team we shift the paradigm. "Entering research to tap the zero-point energy is playing what I call the Prometheus game. In mythology, Prometheus gave fire to man, and for this the Gods punished him for eternity. An inventor who believes he alone is giving "free energy" to mankind is a pawn in this game. If his invention is successful, he will find himself under attack and ridicule. How can one safely play and win the game? "The answer lies with your higher self. Ask yourself the following question: If you were an angel who had the knowledge to seed the discovery of free energy on planet earth, would you love this planet and its being enough to share your gift without any reward or recognition? If you can answer yes, then you are a master of the Prometheus game and you will find, as I have, that wonderful, synchronistic events and experiences accrue that yield inspiration and guidance. For in actuality, you ARE that angel. Your higher self has manifested a clear channel, a communicating vehicle known as your physical self, to accomplish its purpose. The purpose is to launch a repeating experiment around our globe. "The master player is totally free and fulfilled. No one can steal what is freely given. No one can suppress what repeats everywhere. As the paradigm shifts, the special interests that went into suppressing the discovery will then produce enormous investment capital to develop it (i.e., if you can't lick them, join them). At this point the free energy industry will grow with the same rapidity as the computer industry, offering numerous opportunities for creative research and development within the new science. By uplifting the world, we all win. "This book is dedicated to inventors for they are the ones who change the world. If each inventor shares a small experiment to be freely repeated by all others, the paradigm shifts. There is tremendous joy and fulfillment for those who freely share to uplift an entire planet. I invite you to join and experience the joyful transformation, for we are the creators who change the world. -------------------- >From the book "Tapping the Zero-Point Energy" by Moray B. King. ISBN 0-9623356-0-6. Paraclete Publishing 1989. Available directly from the publisher. Paraclete Publishing, P.O. Box 859, Provo, UT 84603 (801) 224-1814. > -----Original Message----- > From: William Beaty [SMTP:billb@eskimo.com] > Sent: Sunday, June 28, 1998 11:01 AM > To: 'freenrg-l@eskimo.com' > Cc: John Schnurer > Subject: RE: Podkletnov: what's going on? > > On Sat, 27 Jun 1998, Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: > > In a way it is a conspiracy; a conspiracy of scientists who do not > want to > > have to revise their theories to fit experimental evidence. > Reminiscent of > > how the clerics of old treated Galileo. > > I'd call it bigotry, rather than conspiracy. If we don't actually > "conspire", but instead we all just automatically play "hate the weird > discovery", then no conspiracy is needed. > > When arguing with normal science people, it is wise to avoid bringing > up > conspiracy unless there is good reason. If we harp on conspiracy, we > will > be dismissed as paranoid fools. If we instead give evidence regarding > widespread scientific prejudice against new ideas, then MAYBE someone > will > sit up and take notice. I think "conspiracy" is a word that pushes > peoples' buttons. On the other hand, accusing someone of "prejudice" > and > "bigotry" pushes much more desireable buttons. Also, it is much more > worthwhile to make people sensitive to their own closemindedness, > rather > than trying to convince them to search for some sort of conspiracy > which > may or may not exist. > > > BTW: Does anyone know if Podkletnov is still working on his gravity > > shielding experiments, or has he quit? > > I recall reading somewhere that the NASA group was bringing him in to > help > them with their large-diameter HTSC disk. I thought at the time, > "Yay!, > its about time." Was this just a rumor? > > ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) > ))))))))))))))))))))) > William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST > website > billb@eskimo.com > www.eskimo.com/~billb > EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird > science > Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L > webhead-L > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 28 14:24:07 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA28344; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 14:22:27 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 14:22:27 -0700 Message-ID: <01BDA2B0.9973F860.stk@sunherald.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: Self contained HV supply Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 16:19:59 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4TNXo3.0.nw6.IGhbr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5066 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello all: Question: How can I build a self contained (battery operated), fairly lightweight HV supply capable of in excess of 250kV? The current does not matter, only the voltage. Thanks, Kyle R. Mcallister Email: stk@sunherald.infi.net Phone: 228-875-0629 http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/5257 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 28 14:24:16 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA27484; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 14:19:53 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 14:19:53 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 14:17:01 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" cc: John Schnurer Subject: RE: Podkletnov: what's going on? In-Reply-To: <01BDA29B.F88F1880.stk@sunherald.infi.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"-UgCy.0.Mj6.vDhbr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5065 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: > elsewhere. I wonder if there is a way to increase the shielding effect from > 2.1% to, say, double that? In the ESJ articles about the "Hutchinson Effect", Hutchinson mentioned that one day after exiting his lab after running his equipment, he noticed that the clouds were in some sort of circular pattern centered on his location. If the NASA team is "lucky", they might attain a similar effect. It can't take much shielding to cause a vertical jet of air to appear. Crank up the juice, and you're unexpectedly on a Voyage to the Moon, Cavorite or not. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 28 14:59:59 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA03184; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 14:56:22 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 14:56:22 -0700 Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 14:56:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806282156.OAA07368@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: RE: Podkletnov: what's going on? Resent-Message-ID: <"yJpV91.0.gn.6mhbr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5067 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi All, At 12:25 PM 6/28/98 -0700, you wrote: ... >Bigotry rather than conspiracy. Most probably. Moray King put it very >eloqently in his book "Tapping the Zero Point Energy": > >"It turns out that through the years many inventors have wittingly or >unwittingly utilized techniques that induced a cohering interaction with >the zero-point energy. The study of the plight of these inventors >teaches an important lesson: Basically, an invention that violates the >scientific paradigm (i.e., the "known" world view) will be rejected or >ignored by the scientific community. All patents are disallowed, for >they sound like perpetual motion. There are already many "FE" Patents on the books!... >A working device that can tap >appreciable amounts of energy will cause extreme pressure to be brought >onto the inventor. He well be squeezed between those who wish to steal >it and those who wish to suppress it. A lone inventor has absolutely no >chance. Is there anything he can do? > >"The answer is yes, if the inventor can see the big picture. Primarily, >the inventor must understand that humanity rejects any working invention >that violates the recognized paradigm or world view. It is nothing >personal or novel to our age; this has been the case throughout history. >Paradigms have shifted in the history of mankind as well as in the >history of science. What causes a paradigm shift is the creation of a >repeating experiment. Repetition is most important for if the results >are not witness by most of the scientific community, the experiment will >be ignored. The experiment must also be simple for there is no funding >available to produce an experiment that violates the paradigm, at least >in the initial stages. But there are young people, students and >inventors with that "can do" attitude who would be most willing to >repeat an experiment that would uplift the world. These people are our >greatest resource. As a team we shift the paradigm. > > I think repetition is VERY important. How many FE devices have been a "one only?"? U.S. politics have shown than name calling usually is counterproductive to any real discussion and the name-caller many times is doing exactly what he or she is accusing. I have a friend that dismisses anything from Hal Puthoff, as "That guy who did the fraudulent psychic experiments" (This was before the ZPE article in "Scientific American" appeared about 6 monthe ago.) Calling him a "deeply damaged, hateful, closeminded >xenophobe" would do no good. When I can demonstrate something myself, or let him see it, his attitude may change. Besides my personal relation with him, what does it matter, he's not part of the process? >> Reminiscent of how the clerics of old treated Galileo. Once more people could use a telescope and see evidence, the paradigm shifted. Some people said the Wright brother's could not fly. By 1923 there was certainly an acceptance of flight! Many FE ideas have been around much longer than 20 years. More recently someone said there is no need for any more computers. Let's keep trying for the (simple) reproducible experiment! If some refuse to believe. then they are left out of the game. If a group of people or scientists are "bigots", then why then does one want them involved/in control of any new technology? -Dave As for Podkletnov, I quess Kyle's "who" question is still open... From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 28 16:22:25 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA23455; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 16:15:05 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 16:15:05 -0700 Message-ID: From: Charles Wilde To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: Podkletnov: what's going on? Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 16:19:50 -0700 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"Exf0T3.0.Hk5.tvibr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5068 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Of all of these "FE" patents, have any been put into devices that the common person can buy to power their house or auto? Or into power plants that lower the cost of electricity to consumers? Just wondering.... Charles > -----Original Message----- > From: dave dameron [SMTP:ddameron@earthlink.net] > Sent: Sunday, June 28, 1998 2:56 PM > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: RE: Podkletnov: what's going on? > > > There are already many "FE" Patents on the books!... > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 28 18:17:09 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA02337; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:15:10 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:15:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <006c01bda2fa$8108c040$3d3cd6d1@martylin> From: "MartyDonna" To: Subject: Re: Podkletnov: what's going on? Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 21:08:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"mmlsi1.0.Pa.Sgkbr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5069 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Same thing applies to Win 98. Say you came out with the a new operating system that was 10 X better then what micosoft has ( which they really didn't invent in the first place). So you held a press demo and during it your software crashed. You would be become the laugh & $$$ ruin of the century. Microsoft can get away with cause it's the norm & accepted. Not liked or is the best but accepted.You can't. Very very few are accepted till after their death cause they was are so ahead of their time it takes a lot of smaller inventions to prove that they was right in the first place! God I hate the english language where's the stupid logic at. Wish we could just talk with binarie instead. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 28 18:38:53 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA05600; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:35:49 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:35:49 -0700 (PDT) From: trknute@earthlink.net Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980628083225.007da770@earthlink.net> X-Sender: trknute@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 08:32:25 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Free energy Wiled In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"H_sS22.0.KN1.ozkbr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5070 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dave dameron [SMTP:ddameron@earthlink.net] >> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 1998 2:56 PM >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> Subject: RE: Podkletnov: what's going on? >> >> >> There are already many "FE" Patents on the books!... >> >> > > > Of all of these "FE" patents, have any been put into devices that the common person can buy to power their house or auto? Or into power plants that lower the cost of electricity to consumers? Just wondering.... Charles Dear Charles, Yes! In many countries animal dung is used to generate Methane gas to be used in small stoves. You can openly buy digester tanks, stoves, and enzyme additives for the fermenting process. These systems are widely used. In the rural United States of the 30s and 40s The battery back up, 32v home lighting system was widely used throughput the mid west. A rotary vane wind mill was close coupled with a simple DC generator and fed Deep cycle DC batteries. The system was sold by Sears and Roebuck, not exactly a small company at the time. Compost heat is widely used in the forestry industry foe drying heat used in the treating of logs, and other wood products. Biological sourced heat is very efficient, and requires only air and compost material to generate heat. A 10' wide, X 6' tall by, 15" long, well insolated compost generator can heat the average home (1,500 Sq. Ft. ) For 5 years without refilling, and produce temperatures of 145' F. Think of it as a slow burn. In Germany of the 1940s, The war fuels needs were provided by the synthetic fuel works of cities like Dresden. I wonder what happened to those notes after WWII? They basically added Hydrogen to other Carbohydrate and Hydrocarbon, subordinate structures and formed fuels. Self lubricating fuels I might add. The Company called California Solar, produced a comprehensive catalogue of Solar home heating systems during the 20s and 30s. The Pasadena based business going out of business in 1939 after having survived the economic rigors of the depression. Direct Hydroxyl based Fuel Cells were developed in 1839. Not allowed to be produced until needed for the governmental sponsored space program conducted secret development and funded this system in the late 50s. Nearly every space craft uses this system today, including the shuttle. I might point out that this system of Hydroxyl conversion to DC is 95% efficient, is very simple, (Two coiled plates in the gas) and has only pure water as a byproduct. The use of Hydrogen as the only fuel powerful enough to put a rocket into orbit was established as early as 1942 by the Germans. Proven by the Russians in the mid 50s, (Sputnik), but not allowed here in the US until the formation of (a civilian branch of the government) NASA. NASA, forced the acceptance of hydrogen in the early 60s. They shoved it down the throats of the Petrochemists, and by virtue of success the got it accepted. You have heard the phrase, "It will take an act of Congress" Well it did. The military refused to deal with any other fuels, because of their close link to "Petro Chemical" industry, (explosives). Literally, NASA was formed by an act of Congress. Direct Photo excitation of Hydroxy, is probably the most promising technology on the near horizon. Hydroxy is photo sensitive. Simply by exposing this gas to direct sunlight you can charge this system, producing a large storage of electrical potential, suspended as a gas. Hydroxyl Systems are now made and sold in Korea, China, Japan, Singapore, Italy, Australia, Manchuria, Taiwan, Germany, but not in the US. Go figure. As far as Bio-Gas. Most landfills are now being equipped with Methane recovery systems. Many now are boasting , 2 -4 Mega Watts. Almost all sewage treatment plants used Methane powered engines, and derive much of their operating power directly from the sludge, or digested Methane. Here in California, they made them stop that in the 80s, because of environmental concerns of the emissions of the converted gas engines emissions. It seems the (Air Quality Management District) regulated the output of these engines, and they deamed this as Bad, Bad, Bad! But, the plants still needed to get rid of the methane, so the AQMD, gives them a waver to burn off the fuel but forbids them to burn it to make electricity, they use internal combustion engines to turn the generators. Now if you dive by these plants at night you will see a 30' tall flame of the "burn off" gasses. A monument to bureaucratic stupidity. This brings me to the reason why you will never see a hydrogen powered car, or Methane home recovery heat systems in the US. Simply put, THEY will not allow it. The definition of THEY,,,,,,, Optional. The Government has deemed, "Proven Alternative Energy Technologies", as simply too risky, in that a change could be very destabilizing to world economies, and the control of markets and products are more desirable than free energy. TR Knudtson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 28 19:00:43 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA23587; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:55:31 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:55:31 -0700 Message-ID: From: Charles Wilde To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: Free energy Wiled Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 19:00:22 -0700 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"fDgjL.0.Tm5.JGlbr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5071 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thanks, that is a great summary. Had not heard of the hydroxyl or methane government debacles. Makes one wonder for sure. When I asked the question, I had in mind the conversion of "Zero Point" or "Radiant" or "Aetheric" energy to electrical or mechanical energy. That would seem to be "Free" energy in the sense that it does not consume material fuel or depend on variable, limited physical environmental factors such as wind or photovoltaic energy. The Internet is awash with web sites and lists touting various plans to use the Zero Point energy, I wonder if any of these plans has been reduced to practice. If so, where can I buy a practical unit that will power my house or auto? That would be a small unit that will generate say 200 amps at 220 volts, 60 Hertz, continuously, little or no care or feeding, no material fuel in, just clean sine wave out. That is the promise of "Free Energy" via conversion of "Zero Point" or "Radiant" or "Aetheric" energy to electrical or mechanical energy. Where can I buy one? :-) Charles From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 28 19:38:03 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA31807; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 19:35:08 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 19:35:08 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <282b0ae.3596fc03@aol.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 22:29:22 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Jeanne Manning not objective writer ? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"cZhzR1.0.qm7.Rrlbr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5072 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi all, Does anyone know why Jeanne Manning did not list Joe Newman in her book? (The coming energy revolution, I believe, I loaded my copy out, so I may have the name wrong) To not list Joe, well, I thought he would be the first one in the book! Has she ever said public or private why she didn't include him in her book? It doesn't see like objective writing to leave him out. Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 28 19:40:38 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA00646; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 19:37:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 19:37:39 -0700 From: Yerbam@aol.com Message-ID: <50fb753b.3596fda5@aol.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 22:36:20 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Is keelynet still a working list? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"l-LTF.0.h9.mtlbr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5073 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I have tried to sign up on the keelynet list (free energy, ect.), but I got no response. Is it still on line? I got post for 2 days and then they stopped. Thank you, Mike Mabrey From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 28 20:15:04 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA12640; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 20:12:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 20:12:40 -0700 Message-ID: From: Charles Wilde To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: Is keelynet still a working list? Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 20:17:29 -0700 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"W1xrH3.0.L53.eOmbr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5074 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Have not received anything from keelynet for several days. Charles > -----Original Message----- > From: Yerbam@aol.com [SMTP:Yerbam@aol.com] > Sent: Sunday, June 28, 1998 7:36 PM > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Is keelynet still a working list? > > I have tried to sign up on the keelynet list (free energy, ect.), but > I got no > response. > Is it still on line? > I got post for 2 days and then they stopped. > Thank you, > Mike Mabrey From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 28 20:21:37 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA14319; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 20:18:21 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 20:18:21 -0700 From: trknute@earthlink.net Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980628102224.007dbb60@earthlink.net> X-Sender: trknute@earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:22:24 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: Free energy Wiled In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"LTpCZ1.0.fV3.zTmbr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5075 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 07:00 PM 6/28/98 -0700, you wrote: >Thanks, that is a great summary. Had not heard of the hydroxyl or >methane government debacles. Makes one wonder for sure. > >When I asked the question, I had in mind the conversion of "Zero Point" >or "Radiant" or "Aetheric" energy to electrical or mechanical energy. >That would seem to be "Free" energy in the sense that it does not >consume material fuel or depend on variable, limited physical >environmental factors such as wind or photovoltaic energy. > >The Internet is awash with web sites and lists touting various plans to >use the Zero Point energy, I wonder if any of these plans has been >reduced to practice. If so, where can I buy a practical unit that will >power my house or auto? That would be a small unit that will generate >say 200 amps at 220 volts, 60 Hertz, continuously, little or no care or >feeding, no material fuel in, just clean sine wave out. That is the >promise of "Free Energy" via conversion of "Zero Point" or "Radiant" or >"Aetheric" energy to electrical or mechanical energy. Where can I buy >one? :-) > >Charles > > > > Dear Charles, As I see it then you are defining, Free Energy as that the employs "Over Unity" concepts only. If you had a system to heat your home and it cost you nothing, would you also like that? Or need it be a bunch of wires kind of thing? Need it be a cute little "bells and whistles" thing that pumps out power. To date, I have not fund one that does, but there are many forms of energy that cost nothing to run, and you can by or build them today. I will however, keep my eye out, if I find a OU device, that the world has not yet seen, I will post it along to you. TR Knudtson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 28 20:56:20 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA24095; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 20:55:03 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 20:55:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35970D90.3CB6@keelynet.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 22:44:16 -0500 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Is keelynet still a working list? References: <50fb753b.3596fda5@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6x5p-3.0.Pu5.L0nbr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5076 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Mike, Charles, et al! I sent a post on Friday and haven't seen it reflected yet, might have some glitch. The archive shows Wednesday as the last indexed post. I'll see what's up. Lots of games going on with the children lately. Tried it again a minute ago (Sunday night) and haven't seen a reflection. Will check in to it. -- Jerry Wayne Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 ICQ # - 13175100 / AOL - Keelyman KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 28 22:16:40 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA32220; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 22:12:23 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 22:12:23 -0700 Message-ID: From: Charles Wilde To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: Free energy Wiled Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 22:17:09 -0700 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"j2hr62.0.Lt7.t8obr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5077 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I look to the "Zero Point" energy conversion to electricity as the desired source, mostly because other sources don't convert sufficient energy to be useful for residential use with the traditional appliances designed for homes connected to the electrical grid. "Alternative" sources of energy tend to be more ecologically sound, but to date, the amount of power that can be generated on demand seems to be quite limited for the typical residential applications. The term "Overunity" seems to misleading as to what is intended. Overunity seems to imply some sort of perpetual motion or "something for nothing" type of scheme. I suppose you can look at a traditional hydroelectric dam as an "Overunity" device. The power generators extract a few kilowatts of power from the electric grid to create the magnetic field in the generator. The generators can then pump megawatts of power back into the energy grid. This is by no means "free" energy, rather a conversion of mechanical to electrical energy. In the same way, the devices labeled "overunity" are converting some other form of energy into electric energy. This other type of energy seems to have many labels like "Zero Point" or "Radiant" or "Aetheric" but the concept has been around for a long time. One interesting question, is what would be the environmental effect of a mass produced ZPE converter? If you were able to mass produce a device that would generate 50 kilowatts of power (roughly the max power into a traditional residence with a 200 amp main electrical service) for a few hundred dollars, then the world wide market might be about 500 million units. Fire all of them up and you would be adding something like 25 terrawatts of power to the planetary environment. Wonder if that would be enough power to have significant negative consequences on the planetary environment over a period of years? Apparently the "Testatika" device associated with the group in Switzerland cools the room during operation. As if it were converting ambient heat into electricity. Difficult to explain, but if true, would seem to have less of an environmental downside effect than simply adding energy to our physical environment via a ZPE device. Charles From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 28 22:17:52 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA32392; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 22:14:21 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 22:14:21 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <1219343f.35972289@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 01:13:44 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: test-delete Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"hY6N1.0.zv7.iAobr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5078 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com test-delete From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 28 23:10:34 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA10576; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:08:50 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:08:50 -0700 (PDT) From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <4570dd06.35972d90@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 02:00:47 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Simple overunity device, please take a look! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"x2EE61.0.9b2.mzobr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5079 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi all, Look at this one and see what you think. I could be wrong, but tests so far look very positive. See LaFonte Moving Rotor-Coil overunity device at. http://members.aol.com/hlafonte/lafonteresearchsite1.html Thanks, Butch LaFonte From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Jun 28 23:09:51 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA09272; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:07:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:07:44 -0700 From: rvanspaa@vic.bigpond.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Free energy Wiled Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 06:07:43 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <359b2e4a.12756504@mail-hub> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3SQVb3.0.oG2.lyobr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5080 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sun, 28 Jun 1998 22:17:09 -0700, Charles Wilde wrote: [snip] >One interesting question, is what would be the environmental effect of a >mass produced ZPE converter? If you were able to mass produce a device >that would generate 50 kilowatts of power (roughly the max power into a >traditional residence with a 200 amp main electrical service) for a few >hundred dollars, then the world wide market might be about 500 million >units. Fire all of them up and you would be adding something like 25 >terrawatts of power to the planetary environment. Wonder if that would >be enough power to have significant negative consequences on the >planetary environment over a period of years? As far as the amount of heat energy ultimately released, no noticeable effect. 25 TW continuous over a 24 hour period is 2 quads. The sun sends us over 10000 quads in the same time period. So 2 is just a drop in the bucket. > >Apparently the "Testatika" device associated with the group in >Switzerland cools the room during operation. As if it were converting >ambient heat into electricity. Difficult to explain, but if true, would >seem to have less of an environmental downside effect than simply adding >energy to our physical environment via a ZPE device. Yes, but I think I'd be putting mine outside during the winter ;). Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 29 00:50:33 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA20426; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 00:47:51 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 00:47:51 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 00:47:55 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Is keelynet still a working list? In-Reply-To: <50fb753b.3596fda5@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"FGj1J2.0.3_4.dQqbr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5081 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sun, 28 Jun 1998 Yerbam@aol.com wrote: > I have tried to sign up on the keelynet list (free energy, ect.), but I got no > response. > Is it still on line? > I got post for 2 days and then they stopped. Check the ESCRIBE page to see if anything's wrong: http://www.escribe.com/science/keely/ ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 29 00:55:01 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA18784; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 00:53:27 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 00:53:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 00:46:09 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: Free energy Wiled In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"l_Bit.0.Ob4.rVqbr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5082 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, Charles Wilde wrote: > The Internet is awash with web sites and lists touting various plans to > use the Zero Point energy, I wonder if any of these plans has been > reduced to practice. If so, where can I buy a practical unit that will > power my house or auto? None of the various prizes have been claimed (prizes for demonstrating a working F/E device.) I think the Zenergy prize is $200,000. That serves as a useful "filter" for searching for real F/E devices. There may be experiments which display unexplained effects, and secret devices which really work but the inventor fears releasing the info. But until a project is brought to the point where it can win one of those prizes, it is not at the point where it can power a home. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 29 05:45:33 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA06569; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 05:38:40 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 05:38:40 -0700 (PDT) From: trknute@earthlink.net Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980628193515.007d8da0@earthlink.net> X-Sender: trknute@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 19:35:15 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: Free energy Wiled In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"R9baQ2.0.Wc1.Dhubr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5083 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 10:17 PM 6/28/98 -0700, you wrote: > Dear Charles, I'll take each point one by one and look at some of the issues you have raised. You write: I look to the "Zero Point" energy conversion to electricity as the desired source, mostly because other sources don't convert sufficient energy to be useful for residential use with the traditional appliances designed for homes connected to the electrical grid. Hear again, I would point out that there are many types of "no cost" energy sources that are clearly capable of supplying sufficient energy to run the average home. The greatest demand of energy in most homes seems to be heat. I described the heat available from Compost materials, or Bio-Mass Generators. Though admittedly, (Low Tech) an relatively small amount of material is more than sufficient to develop more than enough heat for a home. Sufficient enough that if let to "run away", the generated heat would cause a properly insolated pile to burst into flame. This negative feature of this type of microbial generated, biological heat is called spontaneous combustion, and has caused many barns to burn down throughout the years. This type of heat source is used all over the world, and long understood, but to date not exploited by developed nations, but yes, more than sufficient. You write: "Alternative" sources of energy tend to be more ecologically sound, but to date, the amount of power that can be generated on demand seems to be quite limited for the typical residential applications. There once again, I have concern about you assertions. Look at your home and tell me at any one time how much power do you really need? I remember as a child my parents always asking us children to remember to turn of lights in rooms we were not using, an early form of energy conservation. I will however point out that 1000 Watts of conventional 110 Volt electrical power is more than enough to enjoy an average home in the evening. Television being the largest user at 300 Watts and a few well placed lights burning throughout the home. My computer is the main luxury of energy glut that I personally indulge, about 400 Watts. Even a large home will only draw about 25 Amps of power with everything on. The "200 Amp Service Panel" is a rating of short circuit protection, and has nothing to do with power used. Direct Solar, photo voltaic cells, are very capable of delivering such power, and for "Free". You write: The term "Overunity" seems to misleading as to what is intended. Overunity seems to imply some sort of perpetual motion or "something for nothing" type of scheme. Yes that is exactly how I define this concept. "Something for nothing", but I do not consider it impossible. Nicola Tesla looked at what drove the universe and thought to seek a way to tap what is already there to generate electricity. In none of his work would I ever say that I felt he was looking for something for nothing. I would however say that he looked for No cost sources of power, hat are "Free" (no cost) for the asking. He looked at the tapping of the Coriolis effect as a possible source of such power. Though demonstrably "under unity" but of no cost, he was hopeful that man would one day be able to harness this type of power. You write: I suppose you can look at a traditional hydroelectric dam as an "Overunity" device. The power generators extract a few kilowatts of power from the electric grid to create the magnetic field in the generator. The generators can then pump megawatts of power back into the energy grid. This is by no means "free" energy, rather a conversion of mechanical to electrical energy. Not the case. Most generators are self excited by a permanent magnet generator that is integral to the design, no external power necessary. And as far as being "Over Unity", the power is derived from extracting the energy of water lifted to elevation. The sun has evaporated the water from the oceans and through convective circulation of the atmosphere, (also solar driven), rained it down at elevation. I personally do not approve of Dams for this use, rather would like to see "inline" generators that are connected to flume systems, as they work better and do not disturb the water flow. Hear again, much "under unity", but I would classify hydroelectric as "Free Energy", in that we are converting what is already there. You write: In the same way, the devices labeled "overunity" are converting some other form of energy into electric energy. This other type of energy seems to have many labels like "Zero Point" or "Radiant" or "Aetheric" but the concept has been around for a long time. Tesla was very interested in the later, Aetheric. He had seen the connection of charged bodies in rotation in electrical fields, as generating energy. His point was that the Universe also was comprised of charged bodies moving through space, and generating massive amounts of power, the earth magnetic field. Unlike other scientists he did not see this magnetic field as something that was just there, but as a result of a type of interaction between movement through space and an inter-related web of force called the "Fabrica De Matrices" or the Fabric of space. He looked at the fact that we as beings on the surface of this planet were also passing through this Fabric of force, and could we not create a type of collector, or generator or antenna that would gather in power, as we "hitched" a ride on the earth, so to speak through this force field of space, the Fabrica De Matracies. You write: One interesting question, is what would be the environmental effect of a mass produced ZPE converter? If you were able to mass produce a device that would generate 50 kilowatts of power (roughly the max power into a traditional residence with a 200 amp main electrical service) for a few hundred dollars, then the world wide market might be about 500 million units. Fire all of them up and you would be adding something like 25 terrawatts of power to the planetary environment. Wonder if that would be enough power to have significant negative consequences on the planetary environment over a period of years? Not a worry, Energy is not manifest until is used or converted. You write: Apparently the "Testatika" device associated with the group in Switzerland cools the room during operation. As if it were converting ambient heat into electricity. Difficult to explain, but if true, would seem to have less of an environmental downside effect than simply adding energy to our physical environment via a ZPE device. They might be using a function of thermal ionic effect. You can find such a device by looking at a gas heater. That small pencil like thing that is in the flame is a "Thermal Ion Generator" used to hold the gas valve open. No moving parts and works for years with no maintenance, but still very under unity. Charles Love this conversation. All the best Love TR Knudtson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 29 07:07:56 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA15588; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 07:01:01 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 07:01:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35979B97.7029@keelynet.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 08:50:15 -0500 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Free energy Wiled References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1D3Tj1.0.Np3.Quvbr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5084 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Folks! Bill writes; > None of the various prizes have been claimed (prizes for > demonstrating a working F/E device.) I think the Zenergy prize is > $200,000. That serves as a useful "filter" for searching for real > F/E devices. That is true and a great filter, however, it should be noted that the Zenergy prize isn't a true prize. You have to sign with them if you want to win the money. Unless the prize rules have changed that was the original deal. IMO, a TRUE PRIZE is a freely given reward as recognition of achievement without expectation or stipulation of affiliation or contract with any group or person. The Nobel is such a prize. There are others on the Internet that are designed specifically for F/E and of course the psychic prize from Randi. Many of these have specific guidelines that are intended to circumvent fraud or to ensure the winner fulfills other requirements. -- Jerry Wayne Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 ICQ # - 13175100 / AOL - Keelyman KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 29 15:25:25 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA14109; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:20:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:20:16 -0700 From: alansch@zip.com.au (Alan Schneider) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Self contained HV supply Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:20:06 GMT Message-ID: <359912ec.1265219@mail.zip.com.au> References: <01BDA2B0.9973F860.stk@sunherald.infi.net> In-Reply-To: <01BDA2B0.9973F860.stk@sunherald.infi.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id PAA14037 Resent-Message-ID: <"nmgDT1.0.MS3.VC1cr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5085 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sun, 28 Jun 1998 16:19:59 -0500, "Kyle R. Mcallister" wrote: >Question: How can I build a self contained (battery operated), fairly >lightweight HV supply capable of in excess of 250kV? The current does not >matter, only the voltage. Start off with a transistorised inverter with as much stepup as you can cram into the transformer without running into flashover problems. Then add a Cockroft-Walton style voltage multiplier, which you can keep cascading as far as your budget will allow. From vague memory, the peak voltage across each stage of the multiplier is only 2 times the initial secondary voltage and each stage effectively adds up to the peak secondary voltage (depending on load) to the DC total at the output of the previous stage. Each stage consists of two diodes and two capacitors of suitable voltage rating. As you attain higher voltages, layout becomes crucially important, in order to prevent flashover, loss due to corona discharge etc. Probably the easiest way to go would be to start with an old TV line output transformer (the type that needs an external tripler), wind a new primary(ies) for your inverter circuit and use the existing HV winding to feed your multiplier. I think I've got a circuit floating around here somewhere for the inverter part of it, which I may be able to dig up if you need it, or I think there may be a similar circuit somewhere on Jean-Louis Naudin's site. What are you planning to do with it? Check out the Biefield/ Brown effect? alan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 29 18:53:19 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA05386; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 18:44:59 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 18:44:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 18:37:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806300137.SAA07440@italy.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: RE: FE Patents, was Podkletnov Resent-Message-ID: <"EQe5k.0.4K1.PC4cr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5086 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Charles and all, At 04:19 PM 6/28/98 -0700, you wrote: >Of all of these "FE" patents, have any been put into devices that the >common person can buy to power their house or auto? Or into power >plants that lower the cost of electricity to consumers? Just >wondering.... > Here is a list of patents from Greg Watson's page, Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson/patents.html I've only investigated a few, so someone else can better describe any that have actually been sold, or other lists of patents. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 29 20:05:57 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA13363; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:02:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:02:54 -0700 Message-ID: From: Charles Wilde To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: FE Patents, was Podkletnov Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:07:34 -0700 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"n1CnO.0.iG3.UL5cr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5087 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thanks, that is quite a list of patents. Was pleasantly surprised that the mention of zero point energy was accepted by the patent examiners. I clicked on the Newman patent application which got me to his web site. He says he is going into production with his machine this month (June). Anybody know if this is for real? With all of the experimenting going on and the Internet as a catalyst, hopefully a practical ZPE device can be realized. Still looking for that metal box, about the size of a central air conditioning unit, sitting outside my garage, quietly supplying up to 200 amps, 60 Hz, 220 volts. No fuel in, little or no maintenance. Price: one time charge of less than $1,500, no license fees. Charles From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Jun 29 20:10:37 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA14966; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:06:14 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:06:14 -0700 From: mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca Message-Id: X-Sender: mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:38:43 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Self contained HV supply In-Reply-To: <359912ec.1265219@mail.zip.com.au> References: <01BDA2B0.9973F860.stk@sunherald.infi.net> <01BDA2B0.9973F860.stk@sunherald.infi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"C5-D11.0.hf3.bO5cr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5088 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This pdf file has a 300kv supply circuits and all. Chris Gupta To All my Research Peers, Please go to this location and download file, http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/swampy/1/manual201.pdf PASSWORD>>> Radiant Energy 2.0.1 To open manual201.pdf this PASSWORD must be typed exactly as shown. It is also space and case sensitive. Proof of concept prototypes will not produce huge amounts of excess power. However, as you will see, the basic conversion concept can be modified to produce usable amounts of "self-sustaining" excess energy. I have invited you to get involved with this technology to end the rumors that have been circulating. Here is your chance to get hands on experience with this technology. To my knowledge this is the first in history. I have not revealed all, it is my primary intention to validate the technology. After all, I have worked many years in this area of research and I have had to endure many distractions. I believe I have the right to hold onto a jewel or two. If all goes well then I am hoping to have a product to market. You can help in this process simply by being my moral support. I am not asking for money. However, peer support is the most valuable thing that anyone could ever obain. P.S. If this PASSWORD does not open your file after copy & past let me know. Sometimes when .pdf files go through certain servers the password will not open them. In that case I will have to send you the file via e-mail. Last minute additions were added to the manual201.pdf The latest upload occured at 4:15pm est. So, please download a fresh new file... Warm regards, -Bruce A. Perreault (-BAP) http://www.cyberportal.net/nuenergy/main.html At 10:20 PM 6/29/98 +0000, you wrote: >On Sun, 28 Jun 1998 16:19:59 -0500, "Kyle R. Mcallister" > wrote: > > >>Question: How can I build a self contained (battery operated), fairly >>lightweight HV supply capable of in excess of 250kV? The current does not >>matter, only the voltage. > >Start off with a transistorised inverter with as much stepup as >you can cram into the transformer without running into flashover >problems. >Then add a Cockroft-Walton style voltage multiplier, which you can >keep cascading as far as your budget will allow. From vague memory, >the peak voltage across each stage of the multiplier is only 2 times >the initial secondary voltage and each stage effectively adds up to >the peak secondary voltage (depending on load) to the DC total at >the output of the previous stage. >Each stage consists of two diodes and two capacitors of suitable >voltage rating. As you attain higher voltages, layout becomes >crucially important, in order to prevent flashover, loss due to >corona discharge etc. > >Probably the easiest way to go would be to start with an old TV >line output transformer (the type that needs an external tripler), >wind a new primary(ies) for your inverter circuit and use the >existing HV winding to feed your multiplier. I think I've got a >circuit floating around here somewhere for the inverter part of >it, which I may be able to dig up if you need it, or I think there >may be a similar circuit somewhere on Jean-Louis Naudin's site. > >What are you planning to do with it? Check out the Biefield/ >Brown effect? > >alan > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 30 05:17:54 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA08282; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 05:16:36 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 05:16:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003b01bda420$2a527e40$233cd6d1@martylin> From: "MartyDonna" To: Subject: Re: Self contained HV supply Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:11:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"lu9SU2.0.K12.YSDcr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5089 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Question again. I love asking questions makes people think and I learn without appearing too dumb. LOL Ok here it goes off worked a double no sleep. Messing with stupid Fae servo from germany for 12 hours. Source of free energy. Seperate water into the burnable components. Water is the biggest resourse we have on this planet. I know the power companies won't like it but but the water companies would. We can live A LOT longer without electricity then water.Except for my kids & cable. -----Original Message----- From: mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Monday, June 29, 1998 11:08 PM Subject: Re: Self contained HV supply >This pdf file has a 300kv supply circuits and all. > >Chris Gupta > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 30 07:05:48 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA06191; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 07:01:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 07:01:48 -0700 From: fredw@mks.com (Fred Walter) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:01:43 -0400 Message-Id: <199806301401.KAA03825@centi.mks.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Self contained HV supply Resent-Message-ID: <"RZjW03.0.eW1.B_Ecr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5090 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >From: "MartyDonna" >Source of free energy. Seperate water into the burnable components. It takes energy to seperate water into the burnable components. Roughly equivalent amounts of energy in/out (ignoring losses). In your scheme, where does the "energy in" (to seperate the H and O molecules) come from? Then there is the problem of actually *storing* hydrogen. Before someone brings up Brown's gas - George Wiseman has done the math - there ain't no such thing as a free lunch. Read his papers (see http://www.eagle-research.com) if you want details. >Water is the biggest resourse we have on this planet. I know the power >companies won't like it but but the water companies would. Your assertion that "the water companies would" [like it] doesn't make sense because you don't have to pay for water unless you want water safe enough to drink or you are living in an area with low amounts of rainfall. >I love asking questions makes people think and I learn >without appearing too dumb. I'll refrain from commenting, aside from suggesting that you go read a few high school level physics textbooks. fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 30 09:06:52 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA22236; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:56:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:56:52 -0700 From: Keasy@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:52:54 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Magnetics Question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"r8CT51.0.LR5.3hGcr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5091 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 6/24/98 6:24:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jwinter@cyllene.uwa.edu.au writes: << >Speaking of concentric loops, Ken had an interesting problem several months >ago about them. Is it still on your site? I didn't see any posting from a Ken yet. Maybe some messages are getting dropped. >> Hello all, No, messages have been getting to my mailbox ok I think, but I haven't been getting them as I have been out of town and just returned. Yes, there is a posting regarding concentric loops on my page that I think you may be referring to: the "power page" which is a link from http://members.aol.com/Keasy. In regard to the idea I had that led me to ask the original question about the field at the center of the toroidal hollow permanent magnet ---- if, in this hollow toroid (with a strong field, which we now agree isn't there) we place a small magnet and constrain it to move only around the hollow loop of the torus, it may be possible for the force on the small magnet to provide the necessary power. There could be only extremely small bearing friction forces to overcome. Well, one may say, what if you just use an air-core toroidal electromagnet. The problem I think is that the moving small magnet inside the toroid would induce a voltage in the electromagnet, so you end up with an electric motor. Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 30 10:04:41 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA14016; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:57:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:57:55 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:52:23 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: New info. and drawing on web site Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"KSOzY1.0.mQ3.IaHcr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5092 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi all, I added a new drawing to my web page to make the rotating rotor/coil design and operation more clear and some additional text to explain it's operation. Thanks, Butch http://members.aol.com/hlafonte/lafonteresearchsite1.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 30 10:07:53 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA15758; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:02:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:02:02 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <82dcd5fc.359919e7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:01:26 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Question about 3 different lists Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"rR9Bs1.0.6s3.9eHcr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5093 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi all, I have wondered, if I post only to the Free Energy list, what percentage of the people on the Newman, and Vortex lists will be subscribed to Free Energy also and see my posts? Anyone got a good idea what this percentage would be? Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 30 10:37:59 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA31163; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:34:03 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:34:03 -0700 Message-ID: <004c01bda44d$7e323aa0$233cd6d1@martylin> From: "MartyDonna" To: Subject: Re: Self contained HV supply Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:35:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"Oowka3.0.gc7.96Icr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5094 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com -----Original Message----- From: Fred Walter To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, June 30, 1998 10:06 AM Subject: Re: Self contained HV supply >It takes energy to seperate water into the burnable components. >Roughly equivalent amounts of energy in/out (ignoring losses). >In your scheme, where does the "energy in" (to seperate the H and O molecules) >come from? Well if I had to burn 1 gallon of gas to seprate 1 or 2 gallons of water it would be worth it! & I suppose the reaction in a A bomb is = to the force of work that somebody did? Or is a reaction of different materials? What about batteries? Solar cells? > >Then there is the problem of actually *storing* hydrogen. Why would you want to store it for????? >Before someone brings up Brown's gas - George Wiseman has >done the math - there ain't no such thing as a free lunch. >Read his papers (see http://www.eagle-research.com) if you want details. > Agreed, but free lunches exist and it does take some amount of work for the food, money, and man power to make them. The person who receives it sees it as a free lunch though. >>Water is the biggest resourse we have on this planet. I know the power >>companies won't like it but but the water companies would. > >Your assertion that "the water companies would" [like it] doesn't make sense >because you don't have to pay for water unless you want water safe enough >to drink or you are living in an area with low amounts of rainfall. > >>I love asking questions makes people think and I learn >>without appearing too dumb. > >I'll refrain from commenting, aside from suggesting that you go read >a few high school level physics textbooks. > > fred > Why? Does it explain how to separate water? Is it 100% true? I love the way people take a physics book and turn it into a bible. Every word is true and if not we'll nick pick at the words till it says what we want it to say. I'm sure there use to be physics books that explained in perfect detail why the world is flat. Lord should forbid if I didn't read it neither! Comment's like that is another reason I love asking questions. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 30 10:51:46 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA22989; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:44:54 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:44:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01BDA424.2F2D0760.stk@sunherald.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: Self contained HV supply Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:39:54 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"X5MfL.0.2d5.JGIcr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5095 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com -----Original Message----- From: Alan Schneider [SMTP:alansch@zip.com.au] Sent: Monday, June 29, 1998 5:20 PM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Self contained HV supply >What are you planning to do with it? Check out the Biefield/ >Brown effect? Something like that. I am trying to build a self-levitating test vehicle (small, about 12"diameter) to find out if the effect decreases with altitude. Kyle R. Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 30 11:40:45 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA23095; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:36:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:36:52 -0700 Message-ID: <19980630183057.13842.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:30:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Anton Rager Subject: Re: Question about 3 different lists To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"oNbQ4.0.fe5.11Jcr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5097 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Butch, Bill B. would be a good person to ask for the Vortex/Freenrg cross-over members. Unsure how/who would know about the Newman membership and how many folks are on Bill's lists. AFAIK list membership for Freenrg and Vortex are not public. For your records -- I'm on Vortex and Freenrg lists. Review Keelynet list on a periodic basis. ---HLafonte@aol.com wrote: > > Hi all, > I have wondered, if I post only to the Free Energy list, what percentage of > the people on the Newman, and Vortex lists will be subscribed to Free Energy > also and see my posts? Anyone got a good idea what this percentage would be? > Thanks, > Butch > > == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 30 11:41:15 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA22919; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:36:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:36:16 -0700 Message-ID: <3599280C.7FB7@microtec.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:01:48 -0400 From: Patrick Tremblay Reply-To: energeon@microtec.net Organization: Energeon X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: TIME References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tvfsb.0._b5.V0Jcr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5096 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com People, If E = m * C^2 AND m = E/C^2 This means that we can SIMULATE mass with energy, this could also mean that energy has some sort of GRAVITY and maybe energy makes some sort of time distorsions. I am thinking that we don't need to go to far out worm holes and black holes to travel trough time or to make time translation experiments. Because we now possess the means to infinite energy, we can use high energy coils to slow time. We could maybe simulate wormholes by linking two coils of high energy but they would have an energy differential, linking two energies, linking also two "virtual masses" and in the end this would mean that we would link two TIMES. We could then try some scalar waves schemes in an attempt to send signals trough time. No need to go personnaly yourself in the past or future, that is not yet possible. But maybe we could make a time transceiver and some very cunning computer and electronic circuits with this scheme. sincerely, -- Energeon, 7515 Jodelle, Laval West (quebec), Canada, H7R-5L5, FAX: 1-514-686-6083 PHONE: 1-514-962-1678 Patrick Tremblay energeon@microtec.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 30 12:38:31 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA06604; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:24:38 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:24:38 -0700 (PDT) From: fredw@mks.com (Fred Walter) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:14:44 -0400 Message-Id: <199806301914.PAA12616@centi.mks.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Self contained HV supply Resent-Message-ID: <"sihze2.0.2d1.pjJcr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5098 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >From: "MartyDonna" >>It takes energy to seperate water into the burnable components. >>Roughly equivalent amounts of energy in/out (ignoring losses). >>In your scheme, where does the "energy in" (to seperate the H and O >>molecules) come from? >Well if I had to burn 1 gallon of gas to seprate 1 or 2 gallons of water it >would be worth it! All you are doing is converting energy forms, and you lose energy along the way (heat/etc). >& I suppose the reaction in a A bomb is = to the force of work that somebody >did? This is a conversion of matter to energy. You aren't talking about that. >>Then there is the problem of actually *storing* hydrogen. > >Why would you want to store it for????? If you are burning/whatever the hydrogen, you are using it at a certain rate. Either you need to ensure that whatever is producing the hydrogen is producing >= the amount that is being burned/whatever. It seems wasteful to produce more than you need and then discard it (and dangerous, leaking flamable explosive gas as you go), so you should probably store the excess. Now you could try to ensure that you produce hydrogen at exactly the same rate as you use it, but it is probably simpler to store the excess and occassionally produce less, to use up what's been stored. >>I'll refrain from commenting, aside from suggesting that you go read >>a few high school level physics textbooks. > >Why? Because then you will have the necessary background to: a) understand what people are saying so that they don't have to go into excruciating detail explaining themselves b) weed out the obviously inpractical ideas and not waste other people's time with them >Does it explain how to separate water? Yes. Electrolysis. I gather that you didn't take high school physics/chemistry. I think I won't bother responding to any more of your posts, because you clearly don't have the background to do (a) above. If you can't be bothered to take the time or make the effort to educate yourself, why should I take the time or make the effort? fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 30 13:05:37 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA13135; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:57:02 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:57:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "Timothy Girard" To: Subject: RE: Self contained HV supply Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:46:03 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bda45f$b6e43760$0e71798b@TIMS_DELL.saic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199806301914.PAA12616@centi.mks.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"IR4XT.0.9D3.CCKcr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5099 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Marty, I'm afraid Fred is totally right. You cannot generate more energy then you put in. And, As much as Stanley Meyers would like you to think otherwise, You cannot separate Hydrogen and Oxygen using any kind of Pulsed High Voltage. Truly, the key to using hydrogen as a fuel is not so much in trying to make it, There's a hundred ways to do that, but rather how to store/convert it into electricity efficiently for running motors and such. Do a search in Amazon books for a book titled "Fuel from water". Also Check out the Hydrogen news groups but, Fair Warning: They won't be half as nice to you as Fred was... Good luck -T > -----Original Message----- > From: Fred Walter [mailto:fredw@mks.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 1998 12:15 PM > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: Self contained HV supply > > > >From: "MartyDonna" > >>It takes energy to seperate water into the burnable components. > >>Roughly equivalent amounts of energy in/out (ignoring losses). > >>In your scheme, where does the "energy in" (to seperate the H and O > >>molecules) come from? > > >Well if I had to burn 1 gallon of gas to seprate 1 or 2 gallons > of water it > >would be worth it! > > All you are doing is converting energy forms, and you lose energy along > the way (heat/etc). > > >& I suppose the reaction in a A bomb is = to the force of work > that somebody > >did? > > This is a conversion of matter to energy. You aren't talking about that. > > >>Then there is the problem of actually *storing* hydrogen. > > > >Why would you want to store it for????? > > If you are burning/whatever the hydrogen, you are using it at a > certain rate. > Either you need to ensure that whatever is producing the hydrogen is > producing >= the amount that is being burned/whatever. It seems wasteful > to produce more than you need and then discard it (and dangerous, leaking > flamable explosive gas as you go), so you should probably store > the excess. > > Now you could try to ensure that you produce hydrogen at exactly the > same rate as you use it, but it is probably simpler to store the > excess and occassionally produce less, to use up what's been stored. > > >>I'll refrain from commenting, aside from suggesting that you go read > >>a few high school level physics textbooks. > > > >Why? > > Because then you will have the necessary background to: > a) understand what people are saying so that they don't have to go into > excruciating detail explaining themselves > b) weed out the obviously inpractical ideas and not waste other people's > time with them > > >Does it explain how to separate water? > > Yes. Electrolysis. > > I gather that you didn't take high school physics/chemistry. > > I think I won't bother responding to any more of your posts, > because you clearly don't have the background to do (a) above. > If you can't be bothered to take the time or make the effort > to educate yourself, why should I take the time or make the effort? > > fred > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 30 13:55:05 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA17690; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:48:17 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:48:17 -0700 Message-ID: <35994B99.7285@microtec.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:33:30 -0400 From: Patrick Tremblay Reply-To: energeon@microtec.net Organization: Energeon X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: HYDROGEN References: <000001bda45f$b6e43760$0e71798b@TIMS_DELL.saic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YJq-Q3.0.JK4.GyKcr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5100 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi, It is possible to make overunity production of hydrogen, well not quite. Don Lancaster from Electronics Now said: "up to one sixth of the total hydrogen produced is attributable to the excess heat." This means that an overunity hydrogen cell is actually tapping into the ambient heat. But as Don said it takes low voltages and at these low voltages the production of hydrogen is extremely low and slow so it would not be very useful. He is also skeptical about the use of electrical pulses that match hydrogen's natural frequency to produce overunity. -- Energeon, 7515 Jodelle, Laval West (quebec), Canada, H7R-5L5, FAX: 1-514-686-6083 PHONE: 1-514-962-1678 Patrick Tremblay energeon@microtec.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 30 14:49:56 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA10340; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:41:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:41:43 -0700 Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:40:12 -0600 (MDT) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Question about 3 different lists In-Reply-To: <82dcd5fc.359919e7@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Lawrv3.0.MX2.LkLcr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5101 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Tue, 30 Jun 1998 HLafonte@aol.com wrote: I have wondered, if I post only to the Free Energy list, what percentage of the people on the Newman, and Vortex lists will be subscribed to Free Energy also and see my posts? Anyone got a good idea what this percentage would be? Thanks, Butch ------------- from vortex , "eye" see it / 1 of x percent. "If it's GOOD, we will SEE!" :) -=se=- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 30 15:40:30 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA27450; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:35:08 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:35:08 -0700 Message-ID: <19980630224328.7007.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:43:28 -0700 (PDT) From: DAN BRYANT Subject: Re: Self contained HV supply To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"sgRJ62.0.ki6.RWMcr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5102 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ===try using a esier passwerd F R O M DAN BRYANT m-16@rocketmail.com ---mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca wrote: > > This pdf file has a 300kv supply circuits and all. > > Chris Gupta > > To All my Research Peers, > Please go to this location and download file, > > > http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/swampy/1/manual201.pdf > PASSWORD>>> Radiant Energy 2.0.1 > > To open manual201.pdf this PASSWORD must be typed exactly as shown. > It is also space and case sensitive. > > Proof of concept prototypes will not produce huge amounts of excess > power. However, as you will see, the basic conversion concept can be > modified to produce usable amounts of "self-sustaining" excess > energy. > > I have invited you to get involved with this technology to end the > rumors that have been circulating. Here is your chance to get hands > on experience with this technology. To my knowledge this is the first > in history. > > I have not revealed all, it is my primary intention to validate the > technology. After all, I have worked many years in this area of > research and I have had to endure many distractions. I believe I have > the right to hold onto a jewel or two. > > If all goes well then I am hoping to have a product to market. You can > help in this process simply by being my moral support. I am not asking > for money. However, peer support is the most valuable thing that anyone > could ever obain. > > P.S. If this PASSWORD does not open your file after copy & past let me > know. Sometimes when .pdf files go through certain servers the password > will not open them. In that case I will have to send you the file via > e-mail. > > Last minute additions were added to the manual201.pdf > The latest upload occured at 4:15pm est. So, please download a > fresh new file... > > Warm regards, > -Bruce A. Perreault (-BAP) > > > http://www.cyberportal.net/nuenergy/main.html > > > > > > At 10:20 PM 6/29/98 +0000, you wrote: > >On Sun, 28 Jun 1998 16:19:59 -0500, "Kyle R. Mcallister" > > wrote: > > > > > >>Question: How can I build a self contained (battery operated), fairly > >>lightweight HV supply capable of in excess of 250kV? The current does not > >>matter, only the voltage. > > > >Start off with a transistorised inverter with as much stepup as > >you can cram into the transformer without running into flashover > >problems. > >Then add a Cockroft-Walton style voltage multiplier, which you can > >keep cascading as far as your budget will allow. From vague memory, > >the peak voltage across each stage of the multiplier is only 2 times > >the initial secondary voltage and each stage effectively adds up to > >the peak secondary voltage (depending on load) to the DC total at > >the output of the previous stage. > >Each stage consists of two diodes and two capacitors of suitable > >voltage rating. As you attain higher voltages, layout becomes > >crucially important, in order to prevent flashover, loss due to > >corona discharge etc. > > > >Probably the easiest way to go would be to start with an old TV > >line output transformer (the type that needs an external tripler), > >wind a new primary(ies) for your inverter circuit and use the > >existing HV winding to feed your multiplier. I think I've got a > >circuit floating around here somewhere for the inverter part of > >it, which I may be able to dig up if you need it, or I think there > >may be a similar circuit somewhere on Jean-Louis Naudin's site. > > > >What are you planning to do with it? Check out the Biefield/ > >Brown effect? > > > >alan > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 30 18:27:24 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA12148; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 18:24:14 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 18:24:14 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <5d501ec6.35998ed4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 21:20:19 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: AOL web pages back up (Butch) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"XYqGp.0.hz2.z-Ocr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5103 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Okay, BTW, your site is currently down... What is up with it ? Regards, Stefan.< Stefan and all, The AOL (about 25% of them) web pages were down for a couple of hours today but are back up. Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 30 19:05:35 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA16399; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 18:34:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 18:34:07 -0700 From: fredw@mks.com (Fred Walter) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 21:33:55 -0400 Message-Id: <199807010133.VAA26936@centi.mks.com> To: energeon@microtec.net, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: HYDROGEN Resent-Message-ID: <"eODlt.0.p_3.D8Pcr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5104 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >From: Patrick Tremblay >He is also skeptical about the use of electrical pulses that match >hydrogen's natural frequency to produce overunity. >From what I recall reading, if you use the right frequency/voltage level when electrolysing water you will produce some quantity of Brown's gas. Which can't (effectively) be used in any 'overunity' fashion, but makes for really cool cutting/welding effects. I bought George Wiseman's Brown's Gas device plans/video a while back, but decided to not try building a BG generator because for the price (new) of the components, I can pick up (used) conventional welding/cutting/etc equipment. (Granted, this convential equipment won't be as 'cool' and I won't be able to generate as many welding/cutting effects, but ...) Unless someone here knows of a source of really *CHEAP* 480 VAC motor run capacitors that can be used to form a capacitor bank of 1000 uF. (If you don't know what 'motor run' means then you probably don't have the right type of capacitors.) Or... has anyone here actually used the capacitor plans that are on the Internet (usually on Tesla coil web-sites) to build capacitors? If so, how did you determine the voltage rating? And what sort of capacitance did you end up with, and what components/etc did you use to get that capacitance? My concern with trying to make my own capacitors is not having a high enough voltage rating, and having them explode in my face. In order to bring this post back to the 'free' energy theme, a capacitor bank of this sort is also required for a "Don Smith" space energy device. fred PS. "motor run" means they are used with electric motors when they are running From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 30 19:35:00 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA31335; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:33:22 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:33:22 -0700 From: alansch@zip.com.au (Alan Schneider) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Self contained HV supply Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 02:33:20 GMT Message-ID: <35999f8a.10107293@mail.zip.com.au> References: <01BDA424.2F2D0760.stk@sunherald.infi.net> In-Reply-To: <01BDA424.2F2D0760.stk@sunherald.infi.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id TAA31254 Resent-Message-ID: <"qGmfH1.0.Mf7.o_Pcr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5105 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:39:54 -0500, "Kyle R. Mcallister" wrote: >>What are you planning to do with it? Check out the Biefield/ >>Brown effect? >Something like that. I am trying to build a self-levitating test vehicle >(small, about 12"diameter) to find out if the effect decreases with >altitude. Something I remember reading somewhere but can't quite remember where or who off the top of my head, is that a researcher in the area discovered that the effect was far more pronounced using AC rather than DC. I'll try and remember who and where and post it when I do. alan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 30 20:42:32 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA24962; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 20:38:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 20:38:07 -0700 From: mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca Message-Id: <199807010338.XAA16659@romeo.its.uwo.ca> X-Sender: mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 23:39:26 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Self contained HV supply In-Reply-To: <19980630224328.7007.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"odS4L2.0.s56.UyQcr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5106 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is not my document - hey listen beggars can't be choosers! Ever heard of cut and paste? Can't stand it, especially the programmers, who simply have show their macho prowesss' and will not use any tools available to them. I would have preferred a comment on the document. So what did you think of the document? Chris Gupta At 03:43 PM 6/30/98 -0700, you wrote: > > > > >===try using a esier passwerd > >F R O M >DAN BRYANT href="mailto:m-16@rocketmil.com">m-16@rocketmail.com > > > > >---mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca wrote: >> >> This pdf file has a 300kv supply circuits and all. >> >> Chris Gupta >> >> To All my Research Peers, >> Please go to this location and download file, >> >> >> http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/swampy/1/manual201.pdf >> PASSWORD>>> Radiant Energy 2.0.1 >> >> To open manual201.pdf this PASSWORD must be typed exactly as shown. >> It is also space and case sensitive. >> >> Proof of concept prototypes will not produce huge amounts of excess >> power. However, as you will see, the basic conversion concept can be >> modified to produce usable amounts of "self-sustaining" excess >> energy. >> >> I have invited you to get involved with this technology to end the >> rumors that have been circulating. Here is your chance to get hands >> on experience with this technology. To my knowledge this is the first >> in history. >> >> I have not revealed all, it is my primary intention to validate the >> technology. After all, I have worked many years in this area of >> research and I have had to endure many distractions. I believe I have >> the right to hold onto a jewel or two. >> >> If all goes well then I am hoping to have a product to market. You >can >> help in this process simply by being my moral support. I am not >asking >> for money. However, peer support is the most valuable thing that >anyone >> could ever obain. >> >> P.S. If this PASSWORD does not open your file after copy & past let >me >> know. Sometimes when .pdf files go through certain servers the >password >> will not open them. In that case I will have to send you the file via >> e-mail. >> >> Last minute additions were added to the manual201.pdf >> The latest upload occured at 4:15pm est. So, please download a >> fresh new file... >> >> Warm regards, >> -Bruce A. Perreault (-BAP) >> >> >> http://www.cyberportal.net/nuenergy/main.html >> >> >> >> >> >> At 10:20 PM 6/29/98 +0000, you wrote: >> >On Sun, 28 Jun 1998 16:19:59 -0500, "Kyle R. Mcallister" >> > wrote: >> > >> > >> >>Question: How can I build a self contained (battery operated), >fairly >> >>lightweight HV supply capable of in excess of 250kV? The current >does not >> >>matter, only the voltage. >> > >> >Start off with a transistorised inverter with as much stepup as >> >you can cram into the transformer without running into flashover >> >problems. >> >Then add a Cockroft-Walton style voltage multiplier, which you can >> >keep cascading as far as your budget will allow. From vague memory, >> >the peak voltage across each stage of the multiplier is only 2 times >> >the initial secondary voltage and each stage effectively adds up to >> >the peak secondary voltage (depending on load) to the DC total at >> >the output of the previous stage. >> >Each stage consists of two diodes and two capacitors of suitable >> >voltage rating. As you attain higher voltages, layout becomes >> >crucially important, in order to prevent flashover, loss due to >> >corona discharge etc. >> > >> >Probably the easiest way to go would be to start with an old TV >> >line output transformer (the type that needs an external tripler), >> >wind a new primary(ies) for your inverter circuit and use the >> >existing HV winding to feed your multiplier. I think I've got a >> >circuit floating around here somewhere for the inverter part of >> >it, which I may be able to dig up if you need it, or I think there >> >may be a similar circuit somewhere on Jean-Louis Naudin's site. >> > >> >What are you planning to do with it? Check out the Biefield/ >> >Brown effect? >> > >> >alan >> > >> >> > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 30 20:44:36 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA27785; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 20:41:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 20:41:39 -0700 From: "Chris Malcheski" To: Subject: Re: Self contained HIV supply Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 21:40:03 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980701034114.NHIH27853@dialup.csn.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"VhiEs3.0.3o6.o_Qcr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5107 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Notice the subject? This is how I read it every time a message comes in on this thread. Maybe we could spell out HIGH VOLTAGE to accomodate those intellectually challenged individuals like myself? :) A supply of AIDS. Self contained, no less. Cool. -- Chris From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 30 21:17:03 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA08192; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 21:15:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 21:15:04 -0700 Message-ID: <01BDA47C.91FB2FE0.stk@sunherald.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: Self contained HIV supply Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 23:12:35 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"za9Xl.0.o_1.7VRcr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5108 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com -----Original Message----- From: Chris Malcheski [SMTP:chris-malcheski@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 1998 10:40 PM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Self contained HIV supply >Notice the subject? This is how I read it every time a message comes in on >this thread. Maybe we could spell out HIGH VOLTAGE to accomodate those >intellectually challenged individuals like myself? :) Sorry about that. I was rushing through writing my email again. >A supply of AIDS. Self contained, no less. Cool. Yech! I don't want it! :-) Like my dad said to a friend about working in biological warfare labs: "You might catch something that won't wash off." Kyle R. Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 30 21:40:40 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA15645; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 21:38:15 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 21:38:15 -0700 X-Sender: richarda@mailhub.icx.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199807010338.XAA16659@romeo.its.uwo.ca> References: <19980630224328.7007.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 00:37:50 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Richard Austin Subject: Re: Self contained HV supply Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id VAA15627 Resent-Message-ID: <"77wsZ.0.Mq3.sqRcr"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5109 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >>> To All my Research Peers, >>> Please go to this location and download file, >>> >>> >>> http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/swampy/1/manual201.pdf >>> PASSWORD>>> Radiant Energy 2.0.1 >>> I have invited you to get involved with this technology to end the >>> rumors that have been circulating. Here is your chance to get hands >>> on experience with this technology. To my knowledge this is the first >>> in history. >>> I reviewed the document. Not your average construction project!!! I'm not able to pursue it, but I wish you well in your pursuits. I can't help but think that there must be a way to free energy without using radiactive sources, even the alpha type you are working with. The dangers of the materials makes me shy away. Intuitively I feel that we must uncover some new principle of aether transfer of energy to solve our energy problems. We should be able to tap the sun's energies in a safe and continuous way. >>> -Bruce A. Perreault (-BAP) >>> >>> >>> http://www.cyberportal.net/nuenergy/main.html >>> Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU Check out the Institute for Planetary Renewal at http://user.icx.net/~richarda From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Jun 30 22:27:16 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA29206; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:25:35 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:25:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <005f01bda4af$e6db3680$133cd6d1@martylin> From: "MartyDonna" To: Subject: Re: Self contained HV supply Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 01:19:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"GwoWt3.0.G87.DXScr"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5110 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com So what the 2 of you are saying is that it isn't possible? God forbid if the wright brothers would have listened to ya two about flight. Question time... Why does people who aren't very smart love making other people seem dumb and use a lot of technical words for to prove it? Why do they have have to prove it all the time. Is it their ego's? My Electronics Web Page http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/lig/j/j/jjf/ -----Original Message----- From: Timothy Girard To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, June 30, 1998 3:58 PM Subject: RE: Self contained HV supply >Hi Marty, >I'm afraid Fred is totally right. You cannot generate more energy then you >put in. And, As much as Stanley Meyers would like you to think otherwise, >You cannot separate Hydrogen and Oxygen using any kind of Pulsed High >Voltage. Truly, the key to using hydrogen as a fuel is not so much in trying >to make it, There's a hundred ways to do that, but rather how to >store/convert it into electricity efficiently for running motors and such. >Do a search in Amazon books for a book titled "Fuel from water". Also Check >out the Hydrogen news groups but, Fair Warning: They won't be half as nice >to you as Fred was... > >Good luck >-T > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fred Walter [mailto:fredw@mks.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 1998 12:15 PM >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> Subject: Re: Self contained HV supply >> >> >> >From: "MartyDonna" >> >>It takes energy to seperate water into the burnable components. >> >>Roughly equivalent amounts of energy in/out (ignoring losses). >> >>In your scheme, where does the "energy in" (to seperate the H and O >> >>molecules) come from? >> >> >Well if I had to burn 1 gallon of gas to seprate 1 or 2 gallons >> of water it >> >would be worth it! >> >> All you are doing is converting energy forms, and you lose energy along >> the way (heat/etc). >> >> >& I suppose the reaction in a A bomb is = to the force of work >> that somebody >> >did? >> >> This is a conversion of matter to energy. You aren't talking about that. >> >> >>Then there is the problem of actually *storing* hydrogen. >> > >> >Why would you want to store it for????? >> >> If you are burning/whatever the hydrogen, you are using it at a >> certain rate. >> Either you need to ensure that whatever is producing the hydrogen is >> producing >= the amount that is being burned/whatever. It seems wasteful >> to produce more than you need and then discard it (and dangerous, leaking >> flamable explosive gas as you go), so you should probably store >> the excess. >> >> Now you could try to ensure that you produce hydrogen at exactly the >> same rate as you use it, but it is probably simpler to store the >> excess and occassionally produce less, to use up what's been stored. >> >> >>I'll refrain from commenting, aside from suggesting that you go read >> >>a few high school level physics textbooks. >> > >> >Why? >> >> Because then you will have the necessary background to: >> a) understand what people are saying so that they don't have to go into >> excruciating detail explaining themselves >> b) weed out the obviously inpractical ideas and not waste other people's >> time with them >> >> >Does it explain how to separate water? >> >> Yes. Electrolysis. >> >> I gather that you didn't take high school physics/chemistry. >> >> I think I won't bother responding to any more of your posts, >> because you clearly don't have the background to do (a) above. >> If you can't be bothered to take the time or make the effort >> to educate yourself, why should I take the time or make the effort? >> >> fred >> >> > >